Let's cram MP up the wazzoo, Rumored Nikon D3200 24mp slr

[pRICE cUBE]

Seems like Nikon is playing the megapixel game along with Sony. Strange as they used to be the conservative MP company. As I have stated before, I am not a big fan of increased MP past 16mp on aps-c sized cameras. You can mask noise but you can't hide the results of sharpness loss due to diffraction. I guess they will keep cramming them in there.

http://nikonrumors.com/2012/03/28/nikon-...ures.aspx/

Nikon will soon announce the D3200 DSLR camera which will replace the current D3100 ($549). The expected specs are:

24 MP sensor
11 AF points
4 fps
ISO range: 100-6400, with hi-ISO of 12800
Improved video functionality
The Nikon D3200 will have some kind of a Wi-Fi connection that is supposed to offer few very interesting new features
Announcement in April, 2012


Read more on NikonRumors.com: http://nikonrumors.com/2012/03/28/nikon-...z1qTyLYcEj

[freeradical]

Isn't 20-25 MP the point where an APS-C sensor has roughly the same amount of data/information that a 35mm film negative has?


Check out these scans of 4X5 Kodachromes. :-)


http://pavel-kosenko.livejournal.com/303...d=22669914


Or these100 year old b&w...

http://www.shorpy.com/

[M>B>]

Or spend days searching the Library of Congress...

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[Billybob]

pRICE cUBE wrote:
Seems like Nikon is playing the megapixel game along with Sony. Strange as they used to be the conservative MP company. As I have stated before, I am not a big fan of increased MP past 16mp on aps-c sized cameras. You can mask noise but you can't hide the results of sharpness loss due to diffraction. I guess they will keep cramming them in there.

You didn't have to be clairvoyant to predict this. In fact I did predict it. Well, I predicted that the D400 would have 24MP. Since, Nikon typically uses the best available Sony sensor across its entire range of DX cameras it makes sense that the next Nikon DX release would have 24MP. For better or worst, Nikon is relying on Sony for its sensors. I don't know to what degree there is co-development, or whether Nikon just takes what Sony gives it, but it is the nature of the beast. Whatever DX sensor is Sony's latest/greatest, you can be sure that Nikon will employ it in its next generation DX cameras.

This symbiotic relationship exists in the FX market as well. The D800 sensor has Sony Exmor written all over it. The dynamic range performance is the big give away (look at the DXOMark measurements to see the pattern). Exmor is the sensor technology that allows photographers to extract unprecedented levels of detail from deep shadows. The D4 sensor doesn't appear to be an Exmor-based sensor; however, I suspect that at minimum Sony provided some input into the D4 sensor design.

What's interesting--at least to me--is that Sony let Nikon use the 36MP Exmor sensor in the D800 first. I'm not even sure that there is even a rumor of a Sony full-frame camera using this sensor. It makes me wonder whether Sony is giving up the FF market (there just isn't as much potential profit for Sony in that segment as there is in DX), or whether there is an agreement between the two giant camera makers that gives Sony priority in the DX market and Nikon priority in the FX market.

Oh, back to the 24MP sensor in the D3200. It is almost certainly the same sensor as the one in the NEX-7. That camera's IQ is excellent, but it's not a huge improvement over the 16MP NEX-5n's IQ. Unless Sony and/or Nikon have added some "secret sauce" to the NEX-7 sensor, the NEX-7 IQ is about what we should expect from the D3200 and other DX cameras that Nikon is rumored to be releasing soon.

[Ombligo]

The general public has bought into the more is better idea when it comes to MP.. If the price is inline with the Rebel, etc.. many D3200's will be sold simply because it has a bigger number.

Don't let the truth get in the way.

[Sam3]

Ombligo wrote:
The general public has bought into the more is better idea when it comes to MP.. If the price is inline with the Rebel, etc.. many D3200's will be sold simply because it has a bigger number.

Don't let the truth get in the way.

Just like with the megahertz race. Pentiums kept pumping up the megahertz and IBM/Motorola/Apple couldn't keep up, so the perception was that Macs were slow. People bought into the megahertz myth. You'd think that people would learn from past events and do some research on their own. It's really not that hard to find information these days.

[wowzer]

What I really want is more dynamic range. I hate the clip offs on the high end (more than the low end). Less noise is my second wish. Megapixels comes last now...especially since I don't have any lenses which could resolve the images any better with these high pixel sensors.

[lost in space]

Sam3 wrote:
[quote=Ombligo]
The general public has bought into the more is better idea when it comes to MP.. If the price is inline with the Rebel, etc.. many D3200's will be sold simply because it has a bigger number.

Don't let the truth get in the way.

Just like with the megahertz race. Pentiums kept pumping up the megahertz and IBM/Motorola/Apple couldn't keep up, so the perception was that Macs were slow. People bought into the megahertz myth. You'd think that people would learn from past events and do some research on their own. It's really not that hard to find information these days.
True, and now it's easier than ever to get information, but the people who fall for the Mhz or MP BS will never inform themselves even if it's handed to them. "The salesman said......."

[Billybob]

wowzer wrote:
What I really want is more dynamic range. I hate the clip offs on the high end (more than the low end). Less noise is my second wish. Megapixels comes last now...especially since I don't have any lenses which could resolve the images any better with these high pixel sensors.

I think diminishing returns have clearly set in. However, the 24MP Exmor sensor does resolve more detail than earlier versions without significantly increasing noise. Of course we can ask whether the sensor would be even better if they kept it at 16MP or 18MP, but we'll never know.

Moreover Exmor sensors actually do increase dynamic range. However, you have to adjust your shooting by exposing to the left (expose for highlights). Then, in post,raise shadows to taste.

I know it's an extra couple of steps, but it doesn't bother me, and my D5100 is my preferred camera for high contrast/high Dr shooting.

[mrbigstuff]

M>B> wrote:
Or spend days searching the Library of Congress...

http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/fsahtml/fahome.html

I've done that. Incredible.