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Abandon ship? In recent maritime disasters, captains don't hang around
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Where is the story about the crews emergency training ? Where is the story about after everyone boards
the vessel and casts off about emergency procedures being explained to the passengers ?

Where is the story about the crew that stayed onboard and did what they could to save lives.

There are many unanswered questions about cargo and the sudden change of course.

Why were these passengers/children abandoned by their captain.
"The current and water temps were not what killed these children" . . . imho . . . ymmv


http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/21/world/...?hpt=hp_c1

(CNN) -- When the HMS Birkenhead, a British ship carrying troops, began to sink off the coast of South Africa in 1852, the captain and military officers on board famously allowed women and children to board the lifeboats first.

The captain and many of the troops stayed on the ship until the last, perishing in the ocean as the women and children made their way to safety. Their chivalrous act of self-sacrifice is considered to have helped set the standard for noble conduct at sea.

Other displays of courage by captains and crew members who put their passengers first have punctuated the decades since, like Capt. Edward J. Smith who went down with the Titanic.
But such bravery has been conspicuously absent from two major maritime disasters in recent times.

Capt. Lee Joon-seok of the Sewol, the South Korean ferry that sunk last week, has come under heavy criticism for abandoning the ship while hundreds of passengers remained on board. Dozens of them died and more than 200 were still missing Monday.

Lee's actions have prompted comparisons to those of Capt. Francesco Schettino who was in command of the cruise ship Costa Concordia, which crashed into a reef off the Italian coast in 2012, killing 32 people.

Witnesses said Schettino jumped into a lifeboat to flee the ship, even though hundreds of passengers were still on board. In his trial, the captain said he fell into a lifeboat when the ship listed sharply.
Schettino is now on trial on charges of manslaughter, causing a maritime disaster and abandoning ship with passengers still on board. He denies wrongdoing.

The cases of the Sewol and the Costa Concordia have raised questions about a captain's obligations to passengers when a vessel runs into trouble.
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He may wish he had gone down with the ship after the trial...
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rz wrote:
He may wish he had gone down with the ship after the trial...
Doubtful. Being Cashiered and a few years in jail is still better than dead.

However... haikuman's summary is accurate. I think the reality is that modern ship's crews are poorly compensated, treated badly by their employers, and generally don't give a darn because of those conditions.

I blame 'flag of convenience' laws and horrible ship lines.

1st world Merchant Marine organizations are professionals. Flag of convenience organizations ? Crews are often treated no better than galley slaves.
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davester wrote:
[quote=cbelt3]
I think the reality is that modern ship's crews are poorly compensated, treated badly by their employers, and generally don't give a darn because of those conditions.

I blame 'flag of convenience' laws and horrible ship lines.

1st world Merchant Marine organizations are professionals. Flag of convenience organizations ? Crews are often treated no better than galley slaves.

Please back up these sweeping generalizations. I think they are incorrect and not only that they have absolutely no bearing on either the Korean or Italian sinkings you mention.
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cbelt3 wrote:
[quote=rz]
He may wish he had gone down with the ship after the trial...
Doubtful. Being Cashiered and a few years in jail is still better than dead.

However... haikuman's summary is accurate. I think the reality is that modern ship's crews are poorly compensated, treated badly by their employers, and generally don't give a darn because of those conditions.

I blame 'flag of convenience' laws and horrible ship lines.

1st world Merchant Marine organizations are professionals. Flag of convenience organizations ? Crews are often treated no better than galley slaves.
You honestly think the Captain of the Korean ferry is only going to get a few years in jail?
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Cargo crews don't have it too good.
http://www.sciphiladelphia.org/seafarersLife.htm
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Dave, I would like to politely ask what you can tell us about International Maritime Training in General.
Especially in Asia *(:>* ?
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#9
There was a similar disaster off the coast of Africa some years ago, in which captain and crew got off the ship and left passengers to fend for themselves. The ship's ENTERTAINERS got the passengers organized, figured out how to communicate with rescuers from the abandoned bridge, and saved many lives.
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davester, I have worked for Matson Navigation and on the Lurline circa 1968 & 1969.
I can tell you from the moment the lines are cast off the bollards the crew and passengers went through a complete safety routine before we even got out of Honolulu Harbor.

I also worked for several other companies in Lahaina Harbor and Maaleaa Harbor.
The drill was always the same. As soon as the lines are cast off the safety "Fa Fa " begins.

That included life vest procedures and demo, flotation devices and the location of the EPERB.
ON the Lurline that meant everyones duties for lowering life boats.

As an individual that worked as a Merchant Marine, 100 Ton U. S. Coast Guard Sail Endorsed
Captain, First Mate and General Crew I am able to share with you geographically there are
different standards depending where you are trained and how you are treated.

The last company I worked for in Maaleaa, required me to be a Certified Diver,
Certified in First Aid and CPR, besides being a Licensed Captain.

To be very candid even in the Islands I participated in several rescues. The Mariners I worked
with were top notch sailors. Being a Mariner and seaman is like a special brotherhood.

You will not find those traits here in many places in Asia. Vessel Owners and the companies
treat their employees like dawg poo. More over Captains that should cancel departures
are afraid of the Company and take vessels out against Marine Warnings, Broadcasts and Advisories.

The Concordia is a prime example of negligence and so is this Korean Ferry sinking and
management of passenger safety. imho . . . ymmv.

There are some exceptions. You would have to know some of the Traditions and Culture of
South Koreans to understand better. I was fortunate to spend several years with many young Koreans
that came to the Philippines to learn English. They are heros in so many ways.

http://www.better-english.com/grammar/adjing.htm

As Sewol crew is scorned, young worker hailed as heroine
By Madison Park and Stella Kim, CNN
April 21, 2014 -- Updated 1434 GMT (2234 HKT)

Incheon, South Korea (CNN) -- The number of crew members charged is rising, and so is the anger that families feel.
But there's one crew member they are leaving out: Park Jee Young, 22, who by witness accounts helped them escape and distributed life jackets -- one after the other to students -- as the stricken ferry began to sink.
When she ran out of jackets, she ran to the next floor to grab more.
When she was asked why she wasn't wearing a life jacket, Park said that crew members would be last and that she had to help others first, according to witness accounts to South Korean media.
Park now lies in a funeral home in the city of Incheon.

edit: had to change seamen to sailors: a person who works as a sailor TongueBig Grin excessive filtration

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