Outraged French ban Muslim 'burkinis' on multiple beaches

[SteveG]

Oops, sorry, wrong picture. That's an American beach in 1900.



Ah, here we are...Offensive French Burkini

[Ted King]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/01/world/euro...burqa-ban/

The European Court of Human Rights on Tuesday [July 1, 2014] rejected a claim by a young Muslim woman that France's ban on the wearing of burqas and niqabs in public violates her rights.

The French law banning the burqa, a full-body covering that includes a mesh over the face, and the niqab, a full-face veil with an opening for the eyes, went into effect in April 2011.

It has pitted religious freedom advocates against those who say the Islamic veil is demeaning to women and inconsistent with France's rigorously enforced secularism.

A 24-year-old French woman brought the case to Europe's top rights court in Strasbourg because she says the ban infringes on her ability to live according to her religious faith, culture and personal convictions.
But the court said Tuesday that it found that the French law doesn't breach the European Convention on Human Rights.

I'm a secularist, but the French have taken secularism too far.

[Ombligo]

The Burkini used to be known as a warmup or jogging suit. So they banned long pants and sleeves, I feel so much safer.

[SteveG]

Ted King wrote:
I'm a secularist, but the French have taken secularism too far.

The French are Extremely Serious about secularism being part of their nationhood. They consider throwing off any taint of religiosity one of the great triumphs of the French Revolution.

[decay]

it's certainly ugly...

[Ted King]

Steve G. wrote:
[quote=Ted King]
I'm a secularist, but the French have taken secularism too far.

The French are Extremely Serious about secularism being part of their nationhood. They consider throwing off any taint of religiosity one of the great triumphs of the French Revolution.
Viva Laïcité


I'm all for the separation of church and state and that religion doesn't intrude too much into public life, but I also think there needs to be respect and tolerance in the public sphere for people to express their religious beliefs in a way that does not overtly impinge on someone else's liberties. I just don't see how restricting people's choice to wear particular religiously inspired garments in most settings is justified (with exceptions maybe for things like the safe operation of machinery).

[DeusxMac]

Ombligo wrote:
The Burkini used to be known as a warmup or jogging suit. So they banned long pants and sleeves, I feel so much safer.

SteveG's second image is NOT what the French are banning.

[hal]

DeusxMac wrote:
[quote=Ombligo]
The Burkini used to be known as a warmup or jogging suit. So they banned long pants and sleeves, I feel so much safer.

SteveG's second image is NOT what the French are banning.
A quick image search says that it is...

does it mater? It's an article of clothing - they are banning a type of clothing. It's insane - period.

[Speedy]

hal wrote:
[quote=DeusxMac]
[quote=Ombligo]
The Burkini used to be known as a warmup or jogging suit. So they banned long pants and sleeves, I feel so much safer.

SteveG's second image is NOT what the French are banning.
A quick image search says that it is...

does it mater? It's an article of clothing - they are banning a type of clothing. It's insane - period.
Hate and bigotry have few bounds.

[bfd]