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Safe Space Comedy!
#1
What do you call politically correct humor? Non-humor!

"All Humor is Rooted In Pain" - Richard Pryor

“I've found out why people laugh. They laugh because it hurts so much . . . because it's the only thing that'll make it stop hurting.” - Robert A. Heinlein, Stranger in a Strange Land

"an interrupted defense mechanism.” -Larry Niven, Ringworld

"Humor; it is a difficult concept" -Lt Saavik, Star Trek II

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewhusba...0f1f84f849
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#2
That was a contorted piece to read. He wants to second-guess someone while offering an opinion about the person.

How does that work, when he says he doesn't understand what Kimmel meant?

He wants clubs to be safe spaces, but can't figure out of Kimmel thinks they actually are, should or should not be, or whatever.

I wanna see this dude's high school grades on his persuasion papers ... I give this one a D.
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#3
Here is the "erudite thread on Twitter"
https://twitter.com/lindaholmes/status/1...2588478467
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#4
deckeda wrote:
That was a contorted piece to read. He wants to second-guess someone while offering an opinion about the person.

How does that work, when he says he doesn't understand what Kimmel meant?

He wants clubs to be safe spaces, but can't figure out of Kimmel thinks they actually are, should or should not be, or whatever.

I wanna see this dude's high school grades on his persuasion papers ... I give this one a D.

What don't you grasp?

In response to asking whether his new Vegas club would vet its performers, Kimmel said, "if we get into the business of sanitizing every comedian and doing a thorough background check before they walk through the door, it’s going to be a very empty stage."

As with many modern apologists for misogyny, Kimmel insists that there is no bias in comedy - it's "very democratic." No extra effort to make space for women or minority performers; if they're funny, they'll naturally "rise to the top." With regard to artists who have done things that require "sanitizing" = the audience decides who is funny and/or forgiven, not he.

When pressed about how he will create a safe space, he interrupts the interviewer to exclaim, "Oh, I don’t know that comedy clubs should be a safe space!" before laughing. Which is a little crazy, when you consider that a club is a workplace.

No one suggested that any comics' material should need to be reviewed, vetted, revealed, or in any way censored. The question was about how, in a profession where Kimmel himself says that background checks would lead to empty stages, you create a workplace where people feel safe to do their jobs. How do you create a performance venue where audiences can know in advance if an acknowledged sexual predator will be on stage on a given night?

The question isn't about telling people what jokes they can tell. It's about dealing with a reality that puts folks at risk.
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#5
The court of public opinion does a great job of shunning clods like C.K. from the stage. On the other hand, if "people" forgive and forget to whatever degree and begin filling seats, then that too is their vote.

A curator such as Kimmel would be a temporary valve at best. The conspiracy thing doesn't work on me very much.
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deckeda wrote:
The court of public opinion does a great job of shunning clods like C.K. from the stage. On the other hand, if "people" forgive and forget to whatever degree and begin filling seats, then that too is their vote.

A curator such as Kimmel would be a temporary valve at best. The conspiracy thing doesn't work on me very much.

What's "the conspiracy thing" again?
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rjmacs wrote:
What's "the conspiracy thing" again?

It's the thing that says comics don't care what other comics do in their private lives, nor how they abuse their power, to retain public audiences and/or work to limit women and minorities from the stage. Sorta wide-ranging, apparently.
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deckeda wrote:
[quote=rjmacs]
What's "the conspiracy thing" again?

It's the thing that says comics don't care what other comics do in their private lives, nor how they abuse their power, to retain public audiences and/or work to limit women and minorities from the stage. Sorta wide-ranging, apparently.
But Jimmy Kimmel basically just copped to that, to a tee. I mean, not the part that implies that it's conscious and intentional or meant to keep anyone down.

Isn't that basically what, ""If we get into the business of sanitizing every comedian and doing a thorough background check before they walk through the door, it’s going to be a very empty stage" means?
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#9
I took his point to mean that complete background checks are impractical due to finding out more than the profession allows. In fact that could likely be applied to any profession.

And so we draw lines in the sand, have community discussions about what's acceptable etc.
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deckeda wrote:
I took his point to mean that complete background checks are impractical due to finding out more than the profession allows. In fact that could likely be applied to any profession.

If saying that performing background checks on your profession's leaders and success stories would lead to empty stages, that's a pretty serious indictment of your profession.

The 'impracticality' Kimmel was talking about wasn't about whether you could actually research/vet a performer (performers are vetted all the time by employers/sponsors/hosts/etc. who can't afford to be embarrassed by unexpected toxic revelations). He was implying that the more you now about these folks, the less palatable they will be to the public. That's serious.
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