Study finds Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may offer COVID protection for years, with one BIG caveat...

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https://www.marketwatch.com/story/study-...1624892042

The study, conducted by researchers at Washington University in St. Louis, suggests that people vaccinated with those shots may not need boosters, as long as the virus does not mutate or give rise to new vaccine-resistant variants...

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So it's kinda like my freezer which died this weekend... it works until a part changes, then it no longer works. Gotcha.

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This is excellent news. We already know the Pfizer vaccine is effective against delta. Moderna should be too, waiting on the data.

Given that we still have a way to go in getting the world vaccinated, it is excellent news that we're not likely to need a booster.

Keep the focus on getting initial shots in arms.

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That is good news.
The disclaimer is a CYA, IMHO.
Of course the virus could always mutate so much that they aren’t effective, but good to know the protection for the original virus seems to stay for a long time.

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Lemon Drop wrote:
This is excellent news. We already know the Pfizer vaccine is effective against delta...

Do we?

https://fortune.com/2021/06/25/covid-del...ed-adults/

Israeli health officials are returning to mask mandates at indoor facilities following a small spate of positive COVID Delta variant cases in adults who had been fully vaccinated with Pfizer's coronavirus vaccine. That is, these adults had received two doses of the vaccine, and it had been two weeks since their second dose, the generally accepted timeline for full vaccination.

The Delta variant has rapidly become the main source of new COVID cases in certain parts of the globe including India and the U.K. It also makes up an increasing share of new cases in the U.S., clustered in states with low vaccination rates. The mutation, originally identified in India, appears to be far more transmissible than the novel coronavirus and could be a particular threat to younger people.

In Israel, expert advisers to the government estimate that about 90% of new cases are linked to the Delta variant, according to the Wall Street Journal. About half of the Delta variant cases examined by experts occurred in children under the age of 16 who haven't been vaccinated. But about half of adults who were infected in this outbreak were fully immunized with the COVID vaccine.

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Sarcany wrote:
[quote=Lemon Drop]
This is excellent news. We already know the Pfizer vaccine is effective against delta...

Do we?

https://fortune.com/2021/06/25/covid-del...ed-adults/

Israeli health officials are returning to mask mandates at indoor facilities following a small spate of positive COVID Delta variant cases in adults who had been fully vaccinated with Pfizer's coronavirus vaccine. That is, these adults had received two doses of the vaccine, and it had been two weeks since their second dose, the generally accepted timeline for full vaccination.

The Delta variant has rapidly become the main source of new COVID cases in certain parts of the globe including India and the U.K. It also makes up an increasing share of new cases in the U.S., clustered in states with low vaccination rates. The mutation, originally identified in India, appears to be far more transmissible than the novel coronavirus and could be a particular threat to younger people.

In Israel, expert advisers to the government estimate that about 90% of new cases are linked to the Delta variant, according to the Wall Street Journal. About half of the Delta variant cases examined by experts occurred in children under the age of 16 who haven't been vaccinated. But about half of adults who were infected in this outbreak were fully immunized with the COVID vaccine.
Yes, we have evidence via clinical study that Pfizer is protective against delta.

https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/two-...real-world

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Lemon Drop wrote:
[quote=Sarcany]
[quote=Lemon Drop]
This is excellent news. We already know the Pfizer vaccine is effective against delta...

Do we?

https://fortune.com/2021/06/25/covid-del...ed-adults/

Israeli health officials are returning to mask mandates at indoor facilities following a small spate of positive COVID Delta variant cases in adults who had been fully vaccinated with Pfizer's coronavirus vaccine. That is, these adults had received two doses of the vaccine, and it had been two weeks since their second dose, the generally accepted timeline for full vaccination.

The Delta variant has rapidly become the main source of new COVID cases in certain parts of the globe including India and the U.K. It also makes up an increasing share of new cases in the U.S., clustered in states with low vaccination rates. The mutation, originally identified in India, appears to be far more transmissible than the novel coronavirus and could be a particular threat to younger people.

In Israel, expert advisers to the government estimate that about 90% of new cases are linked to the Delta variant, according to the Wall Street Journal. About half of the Delta variant cases examined by experts occurred in children under the age of 16 who haven't been vaccinated. But about half of adults who were infected in this outbreak were fully immunized with the COVID vaccine.
Yes, we have evidence via clinical study that Pfizer is protective against delta.

https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/two-...real-world
Protective in the sense that most of the vaccinated will avoid hospitalization and death from Delta. That doesn't mean that lots of vaccinated people are not getting COVID, and it doesn't mean that those vaccinated who get COVID will suffer no ill-effects and will not have lingering effects haunting them for years.

And it was a"pre-print" with no peer-review.
https://khub.net/web/phe-national/public...F479607266

And they haven't looked at the Delta plus variants.

...But you go ahead and have fun.

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Israel reported 106 cases on June 26. Less than half the previous day. No WSJ clickbait article on that. At the peaks of their outbreaks there were upwards of 7k cases per day


Let's wait for large scale data before deciding that what we have been told, that the mRNA vaccines are protective against the variants of concern, is not true.

There is no place on earth where "lots of vaccinated people" are getting COVID.

The way to protect yourself from delta and its cousins is to get an mRNA vaccine.

It's the UNvaccinated people who need to worry. A lot.

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Lemon Drop wrote:
There is no place on earth where "lots of vaccinated people" are getting COVID.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/he...cases.html

Hospitalized or fatal vaccine breakthrough cases reported to CDC 4,115

CDC does not report on cases not hospitalized or fatal.

4,000+ hospitalized and at least 750 fatal breakthrough cases in the U.S. seems like lots to me. Each one is a human life that could have been saved.

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Sarcany wrote:
[quote=Lemon Drop]
There is no place on earth where "lots of vaccinated people" are getting COVID.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/he...cases.html

Hospitalized or fatal vaccine breakthrough cases reported to CDC 4,115

CDC does not report on cases not hospitalized or fatal.

4,000+ hospitalized and at least 750 fatal breakthrough cases in the U.S. seems like lots to me. Each one is a human life that could have been saved.
Saved how? They died from COVID. We have no cure for COVID.

Over 600k americans have died from covid. But now that we have vaccines people can keep themselves safe. Fewer than 100 deaths were reported yesterday. Most deaths are in unvaccinated people. Cases drop 20% a day.

The breakthrough rate is as predicted from the original clinical trials of the vaccines.

Nobody ever promised 100%. To expect it is not rational.

Celebrate all the people who are ALIVE and healthy because we have vaccines. .