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Don't want to pay the cost of labor? Exploit incarcerated people instead
#1
These programs benefit the employer and the prisons while exploiting prisoners.

They also create false hope for inmates who upon release discover that very few employers will hire felons, even with relevant experience. However while incarcerated they find employers are more than happy to take cheaper workers.




"Work release program inmates at Russell Stover are paid $14 an hour, a better wage than they could hope for inside the prison, where they'd make only 60 cents an hour. But it’s well under the starting wages offered to other employees, who can expect anywhere from $15 an hour to $22.10 an hour to start for a variety of positions at the plant, with set raises based on time of employment.

Inmates are paid a flat rate—saving the company money. And that’s before the state takes its cut.

The prison takes 25% for "room and board" and the check loses another 5% for a Victim's Fund. After those deductions, $50 a week for gas for the bus trips to the plant, and taxes, inmates are left with around $200 a week—of which an additional portion is then put into a forced savings account. 

A program earnings statement from a different company I reviewed showed those numbers in real terms—the inmate's $917.60 gross pay for two weeks, $779.00 after taxes, took a $229.40 room and board hit, $45.88 to the Victim's Fund, and $50.37 in forced savings. The deductions left the inmate worker with $453.35, less than half what they earned in total for over 77 hours of work—about $5.89 an hour.

“These programs can very quickly become exploitative,” said Kansas ACLU Legal Director Sharon Brett. “While work release programs in general are a good thing, the contours of the program—and how much money people get to take home at the end of the day—are certainly appropriate questions to be asked.”

https://eoinhiggins.substack.com/p/faced...-at-kansas
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#2
The room, board and gas fees are just straight theft.

They should also be exempt from taxes since prison isn't a "service" for them and are unable to participate in general society.

I like the work aspects though. Anything that can be rehabilitative, encourage self-sufficiency, pride and potentially reduce recidivism is a good thing. Worth the investment.
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#3
vision63 wrote:
The room, board and gas fees are just straight theft.

They should also be exempt from taxes since prison isn't a "service" for them and are unable to participate in general society.

I like the work aspects though. Anything that can be rehabilitative, encourage self-sufficiency, pride and potentially reduce recidivism is a good thing. Worth the investment.

Agree. Why do American companies object so hard to paying decent wages? It's almost weird.

And our whole prison thing needs to be tossed out. Start over.
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#4
Don’t forget that imprisoned citizens can be legally considered slaves
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#5
I've never understood why this is okay.
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#6
Lemon Drop wrote:
[quote=vision63]
The room, board and gas fees are just straight theft.

They should also be exempt from taxes since prison isn't a "service" for them and are unable to participate in general society.

I like the work aspects though. Anything that can be rehabilitative, encourage self-sufficiency, pride and potentially reduce recidivism is a good thing. Worth the investment.

Agree. Why do American companies object so hard to paying decent wages? It's almost weird.

And our whole prison thing needs to be tossed out. Start over.
While not necessarily tossing it out, it's evolving. Biden has ordered Justice to terminate all private prison contracts. CA Gov Newsom signed AB32 to shut down private prisons. A side-effect of that is the loss of thousands of minorities their jobs.

States still get to choose how their state imprisons criminals, so it's going to take a long time. Everybody wants instant results so our solutions are generally not very well thought out. When our side gets ousted from power, they just undo what we've done. Like we're undoing what they've done.

Don't get me wrong, we need prisons. There are a lot of people out there looking for easy, quick and slick money. We haven't even scratched the surface of how the elderly is swindled broadly every day.
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#7
fyi, there's an answer to every question.
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#8
I’m going to be the contrarian here.

While their pay for work should be the same as non-incarcerated, I have no problem with them being charged for “room and board”.

I also have no problem with deductions for a “victims’ fund” (as long as the funds actually go to crime victims.)

Richard Pryor NSFW
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#9
The cost to the employer should match the private sector. The advantage should be the one-stop shopping for labor instead of having to recruit directly, not getting labor that undercuts market labor rates.
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Lemon Drop wrote:
[quote=vision63]
The room, board and gas fees are just straight theft.

They should also be exempt from taxes since prison isn't a "service" for them and are unable to participate in general society.

I like the work aspects though. Anything that can be rehabilitative, encourage self-sufficiency, pride and potentially reduce recidivism is a good thing. Worth the investment.

Agree. Why do American companies object so hard to paying decent wages? It's almost weird.

And our whole prison thing needs to be tossed out. Start over.
Profit making enterprises should not be closely involved in the care or labor of people incarcerated by the government.
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