Dump appoints Keith Kellogg as Special Envoy to Ukraine and Russia

[PeterB]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c14l6dl5y4go

... the guy is advocating that Ukraine not receive any more aid from us unless they are willing to sit down for negotiations with Russia. Sounds like capitulation to me, pure and simple...

[DeusxMac]

Quisling!

[cbelt3]

Every single Trump National Security proposal has been a wholly owned agent of Russia. None of this is a surprise to anyone who has been paying attention.

[steve...]

Cadet Bonespurs is still dreaming of his beloved Trump Tower Moscow.

[PeterB]

I don't understand how ANY Republican (well, any MAGA ones, anyway) can claim to be patriots, when they aren't willing to defend a fellow democracy against a totalitarian dictator.

Oh wait, they elected a totalitarian dictator, who admires other totalitarian dictators... my mistake.

[kj]

This is one thing that makes me really angry. You can't just abandon democracies, but to know that Finland or Sweden, or Poland, etc. could be next? Unfathomable. Even if you don't care about anyone but yourself, it will negatively affect our economy in a big way if Putin continues doing his thing. He is so obviously not going to stop at Ukraine. I think abandoning Ukraine could be more likely to start a world war because other European countries are going to have to send troops, drawing them in.

[gabester]

kj wrote:
This is one thing that makes me really angry. You can't just abandon democracies, but to know that Finland or Sweden, or Poland, etc. could be next?

You would have thought, given the existential threat to them, that Ukraine would have mobilized their people in an outreach to Americans to ensure that the convicted felon who has already stated he would sell them out would not be elected.

I think this conflict will stop at Ukraine because I think the EU/NATO (even sans US) is more than a match for the now depleted Russian forces... at least, for now. Russia will spend another decade slicing away current EU/NATO allies via manipulated elections, perhaps convincing Turkey to betray them outright, before moving on more territory, possibly just a path to Kaliningrad.

Or perhaps they will use nuclear blackmail. More than anything, I think the current Russia leadership just want to see the US itself fall as revenge for the collapse of the USSR and they're willing to burn almost anything down to make it happen.

[Spock]

Don’t forget that Britain and France are nuclear powers with enough weapons and appropriate delivery systems to turn Moscow and surrounding areas into a glass parking lot.

[AllGold]

Spock wrote:
Don’t forget that Britain and France are nuclear powers with enough weapons and appropriate delivery systems to turn Moscow and surrounding areas into a glass parking lot.

Sure, but Russia has more nukes than Britain and France combined.

[abevilac]

My house cleaner is a young Ukrainian woman who, when I expressed my sorrow at what the tRump win meant for her country, was quite surprised. She didn’t think that he will be bad for Ukraine. Now, I just assumed that she was a pro-democracy Ukrainian — could be she’s pro-Russian though she doesn’t speak any Russian.