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Trump orders razing of national forests...
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025...tive-order

The president, in an executive order, has demanded an expansion in tree cutting across 280m acres (113m hectares) of national forests and other public lands, claiming that “heavy-handed federal policies” have made America reliant on foreign imports of timber.

“It is vital that we reverse these policies and increase domestic timber production to protect our national and economic security,” the order adds.

Trump has instructed the US Forest Service and Bureau of Land Management to increase logging targets and for officials to circumvent the US’s Endangered Species Act by using unspecified emergency powers to ignore protections placed upon vulnerable creatures’ habitats...

Experts have said this overriding of the Endangered Species Act is probably illegal.

The order also stipulates logging projects can be sped up if they are for purported wildfire risk reduction, via “thinning” of vegetation that could ignite. Some scientists have said that aggressively felling forests, particularly established, fire-resistant trees, actually increases the risk of fast-moving fires...

“This Trump executive order is the most blatant attempt in American history by a president to hand over federal public lands to the logging industry,” said Chad Hanson, wildfire scientist at the John Muir Project.

“What’s worse, the executive order is built on a lie, as Trump falsely claims that more logging will curb wildfires and protect communities, while the overwhelming weight of evidence shows exactly the opposite.”

Hanson said logging alters the microclimate of forests, creating hotter and drier conditions that helps wildfires, such as the events that recently ravaged Los Angeles, to spread faster.

“Trump’s exact approach, logging in remote forests and telling communities that it will stop fires, is responsible for numerous towns being destroyed by fires in recent years, and hundreds of lives lost,” he said.

Environmental groups decried Trump’s latest attempt to circumvent endangered species laws that shield about 400 species in national forests, including grizzly bears, spotted owls and wild salmon, and warned an increase in logging could pollute the water supply relied upon by millions of Americans.
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#2
Increase timber production to “protect our national security”?

Yah. If Canada cuts us off, our production of catapults and three masted warships could be threatened.

:S
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#3
We're gonna need that lumber to replace the burned and flooded houses promoted by his policies.
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#4
It’s going to hit us hard. The “new Idahoan” hates nature, which makes me wonder why they moved here, except that there is still some left here to destroy. Hopefully enough people can stand up for it. Biden Ok’d a very destructive mine here, so neither party cares about nature enough for me.
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#5
geez, the forests are not where you will find the libs. give the guy a map.
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#6
Lots of problems implementing this. Just like his Cali water orders. Dumb. But will be popular in spirit!

In the case of the Northwest, more logging will be popular...but so many mills have closed that timber prices will fall. There may be some export markets (Asia) for lumber, except tariffs. The forest counties love logging (they get federal money for logs sold) but maybe no federal money?

Tourists hate logging. And the Endangered Species Act has not been repealed. I know that statutes have yet to slow down firing fed workers, but private loggers will not be thrilled at the risk that some federal judge comes after them. Kinda risky.

I think this is more performative than impactful. But Trump. And MAGA.
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Trump announces new Forestry Chief
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numbered wrote:
Lots of problems implementing this. Just like his Cali water orders. Dumb. But will be popular in spirit!

In the case of the Northwest, more logging will be popular...but so many mills have closed that timber prices will fall. There may be some export markets (Asia) for lumber, except tariffs. The forest counties love logging (they get federal money for logs sold) but maybe no federal money?

Tourists hate logging. And the Endangered Species Act has not been repealed. I know that statutes have yet to slow down firing fed workers, but private loggers will not be thrilled at the risk that some federal judge comes after them. Kinda risky.

I think this is more performative than impactful. But Trump. And MAGA.

Speaking of which (in today's paper). 77million voted for him. The pettiness. Using a disaster to to politically engineer a hostile region. This is a man who couldn't care less about anybody's house burning down. Other people's struggles mean nothing to him. He doesn't care.

Army Corps knew Trump’s water release couldn't reach Southern California: report

https://www.sfchronicle.com/california/a...EEpI2KNL-w&utm_source=marketing&utm_medium=copy-url-link&utm_campaign=article-share&hash=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuc2ZjaHJvbmljbGUuY29tL2NhbGlmb3JuaWEvYXJ0aWNsZS9hcm15LWNvcnBzLXdhdGVyLXRydW1wLTIwMjA4Nzc0LnBocA%3D%3D&time=MTc0MTM4MzI2MTU3Mg%3D%3D&rid=ZmU3MDY4ZjUtMDM0OC00NWY3LTkwMmYtMDZmOGQzZmE2YTI2&sharecount=MQ%3D%3D
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#9
Vision…. BUT THEY STILL DID IT. And that’s the problem. Everyone in the government is surrendering to this maniac.
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cbelt3 wrote:
Vision…. BUT THEY STILL DID IT. And that’s the problem. Everyone in the government is surrendering to this maniac.

Yeah, the "rollover" is simply unbelievable. But when people fear for their jobs, their livelihood, and their family's well-being, they'll do just about anything they're told to do. And that's what's got to stop, but the legal system just wasn't designed to deal with this level of chaos effectively. Individuals can throw wrenches at to slow the forward motion, but there are far more wrenches needed for this mess than can be called into service at one time.
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