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Re: Outraged French ban Muslim 'burkinis' on multiple beaches - decay - 08-18-2016
but if a woman wants to cover herself to avoid sun exposure - let's say she has a medical condition - that's OK, if she's not Muslim.
derp.
Trump would love it.
Re: Outraged French ban Muslim 'burkinis' on multiple beaches - davester - 08-18-2016
I have a bigger problem with the banning of topless bathing on american beaches (which is allowed in France).
Re: Outraged French ban Muslim 'burkinis' on multiple beaches - DeusxMac - 08-18-2016
The quote above, if correct, would indicate that this "Burkini" is NOT what is banned.
"The European Court of Human Rights on Tuesday [July 1, 2014] rejected a claim by a young Muslim woman that France's ban on the wearing of burqas and niqabs in public violates her rights.
The French law banning the burqa, a full-body covering that includes a mesh over the face, and the niqab, a full-face veil with an opening for the eyes, went into effect in April 2011."
Re: Outraged French ban Muslim 'burkinis' on multiple beaches - Ted King - 08-18-2016
DeusxMac wrote:
The quote above, if correct, would indicate that this "Burkini" is NOT what is banned.
"The European Court of Human Rights on Tuesday [July 1, 2014] rejected a claim by a young Muslim woman that France's ban on the wearing of burqas and niqabs in public violates her rights.
The French law banning the burqa, a full-body covering that includes a mesh over the face, and the niqab, a full-face veil with an opening for the eyes, went into effect in April 2011."
The ban at issue here is one invoked by the mayor of Cannes:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/12/cannes-beach-burqini-ban-human-rights-muslim-groups-vow-challenge
The decree states that Muslim women wearing burkinis could be a threat to public order and will be cautioned and fined €38 (£33).
“Beachwear which ostentatiously displays religious affiliation, when France and places of worship are currently the target of terrorist attacks, is liable to create risks of disrupting public order (crowds, scuffles etc), which it is necessary to prevent,” it says.
Thierry Migoule, the head of Cannes municipal services, said: “We are not talking about banning the wearing of religious symbols on the beach ... but ostentatious clothing which refers to an allegiance to terrorist movements which are at war with us.”
I don't see grounds to infer a connection between "ostentatious displays of religious affiliation" and terrorism; this seems closer to just plain old guilt by association.
Late edit: I should add that when I posted the link that talked about the 2011 law, I only meant to give some context. I didn't mean to imply that the 2011 law was being directly applied as the sole rationale for this burkini ban. The 2011 law is not the basis for determining - if you are looking at a picture - whether or not the ban applied to that particular burkini. ("Burkini is a cool word and some of those burkinis look fashionable to me - though I have no sense of fashion so that's not saying much.)
Re: Outraged French ban Muslim 'burkinis' on multiple beaches - max - 08-18-2016
Speedy wrote:
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The Burkini used to be known as a warmup or jogging suit. So they banned long pants and sleeves, I feel so much safer.
SteveG's second image is NOT what the French are banning.
A quick image search says that it is...
does it mater? It's an article of clothing - they are banning a type of clothing. It's insane - period.
Hate and bigotry have few bounds.
So does your ignorance.
This is probably the first time SteveG got something right.
The PC drones see the world through their bigoted, myopic peepers.
French Revolution was as much against monarchy as against its ideological institutions like the Church and clericalism. Add couple centuries of religious wars preceding it, read a bit of Voltaire and you might understand the origins of the French view of religion
They do not see it freedom of religion the way we do.
It is much more more than that. They did not subdue the religious institutions to let them go without any state controls.
The state owns most of the religious buildings and controls them in other ways, as well.
The basic difference is that the French system promotes essentially freedom from religion and as such displaying religious symbolism is often limited by law. Burqas and burkinis are not outside of those definitions....
Re: Outraged French ban Muslim 'burkinis' on multiple beaches - $tevie - 08-18-2016
I think it's absurd to try to ban any sort of beachwear, regardless of the rationalizations. I think the strict Muslim garb for women is ludicrous, but WTF life is too short. And if it's about people not having religious symbolism thrust upon them, I'm curious if France has banned crosses and stained glass windows on churches. Because religious. Hanging out for all to see.
Re: Outraged French ban Muslim 'burkinis' on multiple beaches - max - 08-18-2016
$tevie wrote:
And if it's about people not having religious symbolism thrust upon them, I'm curious if France has banned crosses and stained glass windows on churches. Because religious. Hanging out for all to see.
Personally I do not know anybody wearing stained glass church windows, $tevie, however wearing crosses can be restricted....
Since 2004, it has been illegal to wear or display conspicuous religious garments or symbols – such as crucifixes, Islamic headscarfs, or Jewish Kippah's – in France’s state schools, but government ministers have suggested in recent days that the law could soon be adapted to apply even to private workplaces.
http://www.thelocal.fr/20130325/veil-polls-ban-religious-symbols-french
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/6707790/ns/world_news/t/french-ban-religious-display-hits-sweets/
Re: Outraged French ban Muslim 'burkinis' on multiple beaches - decay - 08-18-2016
France is clearly not America.
Re: Outraged French ban Muslim 'burkinis' on multiple beaches - fauch - 08-18-2016
This is a perfect example of the TRUE COLORS of Europe emerging. Their apparent obsession with liberalism and multiculturalism is and always has been a facade. Yet they constantly make fun of American society (often rightfully so) and consider us to be barbarians, yet something like this would never happen in modern day USA. Even Trump would not dare suggest limiting the clothing people can wear in public places!! Or imagine if Israel passed such a law, there would be 15 UN resolutions condemning it the next day from the VERY same hypocrites who are behind this!
People forget what Europe looked like not even 100 years ago, where millions of people were sent to the gas chambers with nary a protest from anyone, INCLUDING the Allies. And when pushed to the wall with the new Muslim threat they are facing to their cultures (that they themselves in their own idiocy created) we are about to see some old school European fascism and ultra nationalism come out that will make even the most Red blooded, gun toting, beer guzzling, racist, redneck. Walmart shopping 'Murican cringe.
I'd be lying if I denied that it didn't evoke in me the slightest bid of Schadenfreude... People who build glass mosques shouldn't throw stones....
Re: Outraged French ban Muslim 'burkinis' on multiple beaches - rjmacs - 08-18-2016
fauch wrote:
People who build glass mosques shouldn't throw stones....
Huh? It's hardly mosque-building people who are to blame here.