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Re: Georgia Tech cops shoot and kill transgender student - Acer - 09-18-2017
Taunting police in a protest atmosphere is not the same as "suicide by cop."
Re: Georgia Tech cops shoot and kill transgender student - cbelt3 - 09-18-2017
dammit. Perfect opportunity for a TASER. You'd think that campus cops would be all about the non lethal.
Re: Georgia Tech cops shoot and kill transgender student - JoeH - 09-18-2017
cbelt3 wrote:
dammit. Perfect opportunity for a TASER. You'd think that campus cops would be all about the non lethal.
You would think that. But in the days of the big campus protests decades ago most campus forces were security armed with batons and walkie-talkies. For anything more serious they were supposed to call in the local police or state police.
That started to change in the '70's as college administrators started wanting their own police forces. They are armed and unfortunately their levels of training run from not much better than "rent-a-cop" to the equivalent of that received by officers in municipal forces.
Re: Georgia Tech cops shoot and kill transgender student - cbelt3 - 09-18-2017
JoeH...
Yeah.... poorly trained idiots and guns. I would LOVE it if we had a police response like the UK.. Bobbies with batons.....
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/london-bridge-attack/why-london-won-t-arm-all-police-despite-severe-terror-n737551
Re: Georgia Tech cops shoot and kill transgender student - rjmacs - 09-18-2017
It becomes increasingly harder and harder to imagine any emergency circumstance in which calling the police would be my first thought.
Re: Georgia Tech cops shoot and kill transgender student - pdq - 09-18-2017
rjmacs wrote:
It becomes increasingly harder and harder to imagine any emergency circumstance in which calling the police would be my first thought.
Sadly, Justine Damond learned that lesson the hard way in my city. The rules are different here than where she grew up in Australia.
Re: Georgia Tech cops shoot and kill transgender student - Lemon Drop - 09-19-2017
So violence is erupting on the upset campus tonight.
Police now say that it was the dead student who called them to the scene, saying there was a person with a knife and possibly a gun. So it appears that we have a very mentally unstable person, possibly suicidal (apparently they left some notes) who is in fact not a threat and only had a utility knife with the blade folded in. Because the police failed to use any skilled de-escalation techniques or non-lethal means to resolve the situation, Scout is now dead. Scout should be in a hospital or clinic right now receiving mental health care treatment. Not in the morgue.
As allegations of excessive force mounted, Stewart accused Georgia Tech of forcing the narrative that Schultz was a "knife-wielding" threat despite evidence suggesting otherwise.
But the Georgia Bureau of Investigation said evidence showed that Schultz was the caller. Three suicide notes were found in the student's dorm room; no gun was found at the scene and the only knife found was one inside a multipurpose tool, the GBI said.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/18/us/georgia-tech-student-killed/index.html
Re: Georgia Tech cops shoot and kill transgender student - rjmacs - 09-19-2017
What is the appropriate response to a police force that treats a suicide-by-cop call (which it seems reasonably clear this was) as though it were a reasonable request?
"Someone is calling saying there's a person with a gun or knife or something on campus."
"That sounds dangerous - is this person threatening anyone? Let's investigate - send some officers."
"OK, but if it turns out it's someone with mental illness who wants to die, we'll probably just kill them instead of seeking mental health support or alternative de-escalatory tactics to help someone in crisis."
"No worries - just remember to remind everyone to say that they felt threatened, and there won't be any legal troubles."
Re: Georgia Tech cops shoot and kill transgender student - max - 09-19-2017
$tevie wrote:
Just because someone yells Shoot Me doesn't mean the cops HAVE to shoot them. It's optional. Especially when the "knife" is some teeny tiny multi-tool.
Onamuji wrote:
Per the photos of the "weapon" it was a Leatherman-type "knife" that was folded up with the blade never exposed.
That's like being shot for holding a ruler and saying "shoot me."
JoeH wrote:
That does not appear to have been used at all in this video, just he gfailed to comply and was shot.
mrbigstuff wrote:
I've said this for years as well, it's just an excuse to use deadly force
I see you boys are starting to see things my way.....
Re: Georgia Tech cops shoot and kill transgender student - OWC Jamie - 09-19-2017
Just 3 suicide notes would classify as one of your more stable liberals