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Re: Serious question for avid followers of professional men's soccer/futbol regarding flopping - Ombligo - 06-28-2018
3d wrote:
It's part of the game. If it's your team, you laugh about it. If it's the opponent you curse about it. Then move on. In some cultures lying, bribery and corruption is a part of every day life. It happens. Laugh about it. Curse about it. Move on.
:agree:
Re: Serious question for avid followers of professional men's soccer/futbol regarding flopping - Lew Zealand - 06-28-2018
pRICE cUBE wrote:
I find the level of flopping frequency exceeds all other sports I have viewed by far. I do not observe this kind of behavior with women's soccer. I actually enjoy watching and taking pictures of women's soccer due to the flopping issue.
I'd like to see retroactively issues carding for flopping. Officials can review games and issue cards to players depending on what the flopping call caused. A player will miss games if they are constantly found to be flopping.
Right on both counts. I very much enjoy watching soccer and have watched more World Cup this year than the past year of the 4 major US team sports combined. For reference, >12 years ago I was the polar opposite.
Flopping is soccer's embarrassment and it cheapens real injuries on the field as nobody can tell an actual injury until you see blood flowing. That said, it's part of the game and the rules list in soccer is so short compared to MLB, NFL, NBA that the wiggle room to get an advantage is narrow and that comes out as the flop. It's the best way to game the game.
Re: Serious question for avid followers of professional men's soccer/futbol regarding flopping - $tevie - 06-28-2018
World Cup Foosball:
Re: Serious question for avid followers of professional men's soccer/futbol regarding flopping - Lew Zealand - 06-28-2018
cbelt3 wrote:
It's an absurd bit of theater. I often wonder if it's added to give more entertainment to what can be a rather boring sport.
What they need is a 'shot clock' . You've got 1 minute to take a kick on goal or the opposing team gets the ball.
Nope. Adding rules to force a more artificial style of play is very American sports thing and will never happen. Soccer has a flow which is not always engaging but is always interesting. Hockey and basketball also have this at faster levels where baseball and football have little of this. The flow *is* the game.
Re: Serious question for avid followers of professional men's soccer/futbol regarding flopping - davester - 06-28-2018
Lew Zealand wrote:
[quote=cbelt3]
What they need is a 'shot clock' . You've got 1 minute to take a kick on goal or the opposing team gets the ball.
Nope. Adding rules to force a more artificial style of play is very American sports thing and will never happen. Soccer has a flow which is not always engaging but is always interesting. Hockey and basketball also have this at faster levels where baseball and football have little of this. The flow *is* the game.
I completely agree. I can't stand to watch american football because the (slow) pace is completely controlled by the referees and coaches and there is nothing going on for most of the game time, whereas soccer is vastly more interesting because it proceeds and evolves continuously, based only on what the players do. The job of the referee in soccer is to avoid getting in the way of the game. The job of the referee in american football is to control almost every moment of the game.
Another thing about dives. My experience watching soccer with americans who have never played the game is that they falsely call "dive" (egged on by conversations like the one in this thread) for many genuine falls. Since I play the game myself and frequently get knocked down due during play, I have a good understanding of how easy it is to end up on the ground after a collision or even a minor trip during a high speed run. Folks who've never played soccer don't have an understanding of this.
Re: Serious question for avid followers of professional men's soccer/futbol regarding flopping - DeusxMac - 06-28-2018
$tevie wrote:
World Cup Foosball:
:ROTFL:
Re: Serious question for avid followers of professional men's soccer/futbol regarding flopping - jdc - 06-28-2018
$tevie wrote:
World Cup Foosball:
LMAO!!! Perfect.
I actually saw one guy get hurt a few days ago, shoe the nose? but the guy that kicked him didnt really try to lift his feet, a little, but not a lot. So a bloody nose. But since head wounds bleed more, looked worse than it was.
Re: Serious question for avid followers of professional men's soccer/futbol regarding flopping - pRICE cUBE - 06-28-2018
davester wrote:
[quote=Lew Zealand]
[quote=cbelt3]
What they need is a 'shot clock' . You've got 1 minute to take a kick on goal or the opposing team gets the ball.
Nope. Adding rules to force a more artificial style of play is very American sports thing and will never happen. Soccer has a flow which is not always engaging but is always interesting. Hockey and basketball also have this at faster levels where baseball and football have little of this. The flow *is* the game.
I completely agree. I can't stand to watch american football because the (slow) pace is completely controlled by the referees and coaches and there is nothing going on for most of the game time, whereas soccer is vastly more interesting because it proceeds and evolves continuously, based only on what the players do. The job of the referee in soccer is to avoid getting in the way of the game. The job of the referee in american football is to control almost every moment of the game.
Another thing about dives. My experience watching soccer with americans who have never played the game is that they falsely call "dive" (egged on by conversations like the one in this thread) for many genuine falls. Since I play the game myself and frequently get knocked down due during play, I have a good understanding of how easy it is to end up on the ground after a collision or even a minor trip during a high speed run. Folks who've never played soccer don't have an understanding of this.
I am not questioning injuries. I used to play youth soccer. I am questioning the non-contact fake injuries that are revealed through replay in multiple angles showing no contact yet the person acts like they have just had a limb torn off.
Re: Serious question for avid followers of professional men's soccer/futbol regarding flopping - OWC Jamie - 06-29-2018
The show must go on ...
Sad to see soccer become so pathetic.
Re: Serious question for avid followers of professional men's soccer/futbol regarding flopping - NewtonMP2100 - 06-29-2018
.....wouldn't an athletic supporter solve the problem of flopping......around.......???