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"The Geography of U.S. Gun Violence" - Ted King - 05-05-2023 A couple of times recently people have pointed out the (sub?)cultural aspects of gun violence. A couple of days ago I listened to an NPR segment that addresses it (just under 6 minutes long): https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2023/05/03/gun-violence-regional-rates The segment refers to a study done by the Nationhood Lab: https://www.nationhoodlab.org/about-the-nationhood-lab/ [snippets - it's a very long article] There are a lot of graphics - here is a general one: Re: "The Geography of U.S. Gun Violence" - Acer - 05-05-2023 "The Midlands were founded by pacifist Quakers and attracted likeminded emigrants who set the cultural tone: Mennonites, Amish, Moravians, German Lutheran pietists and others who believed violence in any form was unacceptable." Shout-out to my peeps. Re: "The Geography of U.S. Gun Violence" - SDGuy - 05-05-2023 Ted King wrote: :agree: That's part of the reason why I have to laugh at posters who look at the statistics of the United States as an aggregate. Given that this country is a republic of 50 separate States, each with its own laws and regulations (as well as cultures/demographics - as noted), trying to compare this entire country to smaller countries (that have population totals less than a single State of the U.S.) is pointless. The wisdom of the republic system of government is that each State can craft laws suited to their region, and conditions within that region - given broad guidelines by the Constitution. If we ignored local differences, and just blindly decided that what works in one place would work everywhere, then by that logic in order to minimize illegal killings (i.e. homicides), every State should just adopt the laws of New Hampshire verbatim (per the CDC; visualized here). I have a feeling that many folks would have a problem with that, yet if you look at just the statistics, those laws demonstratably work, and work well (a homicide rate nearly half of the next nearest State, 0.90/100K vs 1.60/100K). Re: "The Geography of U.S. Gun Violence" - Lemon Drop - 05-05-2023 A fascinating study, here is the link to the full article: https://www.nationhoodlab.org/the-geography-of-u-s-gun-violence/ Haven't finished it yet, but this jumps out for me "The Deep South is the most dangerous large region in almost every respect, except if you are African-American, where it becomes one of the safer regions on a per capita basis." I've heard this used as one reason for Black Americans to reverse migrate back to the South: less violence. Yes white southern men love their handguns and keep them handy in the house and in the truck, and we all know that having that gun means somebody is gonna use it. And when there is so much gun violence around you, you think you need that gun. Vicious cycle, requires regulatory intervention on the federal AND state levels. (Sorry SDGuy, but dispite regional differences we do need federal help with guns. There ARE universal laws that would help. And this is not about huntiing. Plenty of people in the "safe" northern parts of the country hunt. Re: "The Geography of U.S. Gun Violence" - SDGuy - 05-05-2023 Lemon Drop wrote::agree: I think the open question is what form that help should take. Off the top of my head, and hardly all-inclusive: Since all Firearms Dealers are Federally licensed, I'd start with all firearms transactions must go through a Firearms Dealer (with a NICS check). Another easy thing to do (IMHO) would be to define a "firearm" to include whatever component contains the chamber. For now, manufacturing that part at home is out of reach of ordinary folks (for better, or worse, though - I have a feeling that will change over the coming decades. When that happens, it will not be a good thing, and I have a feeling at that point firearms proliferation will become an intractable problem). On the other (human) side of the equation - I think the Federal government can offer financial help to address both mental health treatment, as well as something to discourage those DAs that are prone to allow violent crimes be treated as misdemeanors (and thus avoiding a potential ding during a NICS check). Re: "The Geography of U.S. Gun Violence" - Ted King - 05-05-2023 Lemon Drop wrote: Oops. I looked up info on Nationhood Lab and accidentally linked to that rather than the article. Thanks for the correction. If I remember what I heard on the NPR show, the guest said that contrary to what a lot of MAGA believers like to think (the guest didn't put it terms of MAGA believers - that is my spin), in terms of gun violence New York City is not only not a hellhole, it is one of the very safest places you can live in the United States. Re: "The Geography of U.S. Gun Violence" - Racer X - 05-06-2023 Ted King wrote: Oops. I looked up info on Nationhood Lab and accidentally linked to that rather than the article. Thanks for the correction. If I remember what I heard on the NPR show, the guest said that contrary to what a lot of MAGA believers like to think (the guest didn't put it terms of MAGA believers - that is my spin), in terms of gun violence New York City is not only not a hellhole, it is one of the very safest places you can live in the United States. I would absolutely love to hear how NYC is so safe. Never been there, so I have no real opinion. I'm not refuting it, but I'd love to hear how one side got it so wrong. Re: "The Geography of U.S. Gun Violence" - Racer X - 05-06-2023 SDGuy wrote::agree: I think the open question is what form that help should take. Off the top of my head, and hardly all-inclusive: Since all Firearms Dealers are Federally licensed, I'd start with all firearms transactions must go through a Firearms Dealer (with a NICS check). Another easy thing to do (IMHO) would be to define a "firearm" to include whatever component contains the chamber. For now, manufacturing that part at home is out of reach of ordinary folks (for better, or worse, though - I have a feeling that will change over the coming decades. When that happens, it will not be a good thing, and I have a feeling at that point firearms proliferation will become an intractable problem). On the other (human) side of the equation - I think the Federal government can offer financial help to address both mental health treatment, as well as something to discourage those DAs that are prone to allow violent crimes be treated as misdemeanors (and thus avoiding a potential ding during a NICS check). for any meaningful discusion, it is crucial to understand and acknowledge that a gun dealer is federally licensed by the ATF. If someone engaging in the business of selling firearms isn't licensed, they aren't a gun dealer. They are just someone selling illegal goods. There are dealers breaking the law in various ways, they just haven't gotten caught yet. Re: "The Geography of U.S. Gun Violence" - mattkime - 05-06-2023 Smote wrote: I'm not refuting it, but I'd love to hear how one side got it so wrong. How long were you in a coma? Re: "The Geography of U.S. Gun Violence" - Racer X - 05-06-2023 mattkime wrote: How long were you in a coma? that is an unkind thing to say. I don't recall attacking you, other than to post a cite from the ATF refuting your obvious ignorance on automatic weapons ownership. And cannons, and tanks I believe. BTW, flamethrowers are legal and comppletely unregulated. With an FFL and a yearly SOT tax of $500, I can legally manufacture all the "machine guns" I want. |