About that Wuhan escape theory...

[Filliam H. Muffman]

Sarcany wrote: Why would level-2 or level-3 techs be working on a level-4 pathogen?

The long incubation time for this virus is unusual. Maybe it was misidentified when collected and/or hadn't been identified as a level-4 pathogen yet. What was the de facto process in place for evaluating collected samples and research for Gain of Function, until the level-4 lab opened? The chance is very slim but China's history and lack of openness keeps it alive.

[Sarcany]

Filliam H. Muffman wrote:
[quote=Sarcany]Why would level-2 or level-3 techs be working on a level-4 pathogen?

The long incubation time for this virus is unusual. Maybe it was misidentified when collected and/or hadn't been identified as a level-4 pathogen yet. What was the de facto process in place for evaluating collected samples and research for Gain of Function, until the level-4 lab opened? The chance is very slim but China's history and lack of openness keeps it alive.
The level-4 lab opened before the level 2/3 labs opened. It was constructed (in partnership with a US university) as a level-4 lab.

The process has been well-publicized.

They'd collect swabs from blood, urine, feces and saliva and test for antibodies in the field. Any samples brought in would have been cooked or frozen or freeze-dried. They wouldn't have a live SARS virus to work on, but would instead sequence deactivated virus or pieces of virus, never a living specimen.

[Filliam H. Muffman]

Sarcany wrote: The level-4 lab opened before the level 2/3 labs opened. It was constructed (in partnership with a US university) as a level-4 lab.

The process has been well-publicized.

My comments were based on information published in 2015. I seem to have missed the data stating that no level-2 or level-3 labs were in operation there until after the level-4 lab was accredited in 2017. Do you have a link?

[Sarcany]

Filliam H. Muffman wrote:
[quote=Sarcany]The level-4 lab opened before the level 2/3 labs opened. It was constructed (in partnership with a US university) as a level-4 lab.

The process has been well-publicized.

My comments were based on information published in 2015. I seem to have missed the data stating that no level-2 or level-3 labs were in operation there until after the level-4 lab was accredited in 2017. Do you have a link?
Accredited and put into operation in January 2018 per your Wikipedia link.

Per the citation in that section, from the WHO meeting report in December 2017, they had no BSL-2/3 facilities in operation at that time, although they had some BSL-3 workspaces prepared to go online with the BSL-4 facility.

[Filliam H. Muffman]

Sarcany wrote:
[quote=Filliam H. Muffman]
[quote=Sarcany]The level-4 lab opened before the level 2/3 labs opened. It was constructed (in partnership with a US university) as a level-4 lab.

The process has been well-publicized.

My comments were based on information published in 2015. I seem to have missed the data stating that no level-2 or level-3 labs were in operation there until after the level-4 lab was accredited in 2017. Do you have a link?
Accredited and put into operation in January 2018 per your Wikipedia link.

Per the citation in that section, from the WHO meeting report in December 2017, they had no BSL-2/3 facilities in operation at that time, although they had some BSL-3 workspaces prepared to go online with the BSL-4 facility.
I used that Wikipedia page to identify that there were BSL-2/3 facilities at WIV. I think it is reading between the lines that no other BSL-2/3 facilities were operational in Wuhan until after the BSL-4 lab. HeLa cells require a BSL-2 lab. Where was the Wuhan research done if not at the WIV site?

[Sarcany]

Filliam H. Muffman wrote:
[quote=Sarcany]
[quote=Filliam H. Muffman]
[quote=Sarcany]The level-4 lab opened before the level 2/3 labs opened. It was constructed (in partnership with a US university) as a level-4 lab.

The process has been well-publicized.

My comments were based on information published in 2015. I seem to have missed the data stating that no level-2 or level-3 labs were in operation there until after the level-4 lab was accredited in 2017. Do you have a link?
Accredited and put into operation in January 2018 per your Wikipedia link.

Per the citation in that section, from the WHO meeting report in December 2017, they had no BSL-2/3 facilities in operation at that time, although they had some BSL-3 workspaces prepared to go online with the BSL-4 facility.
I used that Wikipedia page to identify that there were BSL-2/3 facilities at WIV. I think it is reading between the lines that no other BSL-2/3 facilities were operational in Wuhan until after the BSL-4 lab. HeLa cells require a BSL-2 lab. Where was the Wuhan research done if not at the WIV site?
You didn't "identify" anything. You're creatively interpreting it.

This is stupid.

The facilities include BSL-1/2/3/4 labs. While some preliminaries certainly occurred prior to it, they opened the institute properly in January of 2018 after receiving accreditation. This is not the slightest bit meaningful in respect of COVID.

The conspiracy theories about Wuhan have no basis in fact.

Done with this.

[Filliam H. Muffman]

Sarcany wrote: This is not the slightest bit meaningful in respect of COVID.

Difference of opinion. I think that not identifying a close strain from the meat market in 2020 makes the Gain of Function research published in 2015 at least a tiny bit meaningful.

[steve...]

RgrF wrote:
Her favorite movie is “Outbreak,” the 1995 film in which disease experts respond to a dangerous new virus—a job Anderson said she wanted to do. For her, that meant working on Ebola in a high-containment laboratory.

A little forum trivia: The movie Outbreak was filmed in Ferndale CA, in Humboldt County — a few miles south of my hometown (and forumite Paul F.) of Eureka, CA.

[Racer X]

And the monkey was also Marcel from "Friends"