IRS illegally sent Karl Rove group's application to ProPublica

[haikuman]

“We cannot expect people to have respect for law and order until we teach respect to those we have entrusted to enforce those laws.”
Hunter S Thompson

[Carnos Jax]

max wrote: Obama is facing another test of his Presidency in how will he deal with responsible ideaologues. Will we see public beheadins or perfume scented letters of reprimand and retrements on overgenerous public dole.....

You mean kinda like how Reagan handled the Iran-Contra affair?

[Bill in NC]

501©4 organizations are not required to disclose donors.

So the IRS should never have asked for a donor list in the first place.

Lemon Drop wrote:
just a note - (we're all gonna be CPA's by the time this is done)

donations to 501c4's are not tax deductible, so the IRS would not be able to use donor's returns to determine where that money came from (not that they should be doing that anyway.)

http://www.irs.gov/Charities-&-Non-Profits/Other-Non-Profits/Donations-to-Section-501%28c%29%284%29-Organizations

[Lemon Drop]

yep

[max]

Carnos Jax wrote:
[quote=max]Obama is facing another test of his Presidency in how will he deal with responsible ideaologues. Will we see public beheadins or perfume scented letters of reprimand and retrements on overgenerous public dole.....

You mean kinda like how Reagan handled the Iran-Contra affair? I am not surprised that you would try to equate Obama to Reagan.
I would not.




Obama/Bush? Another story...

[Carnos Jax]

I am not surprised that u would think that's what I was trying to do.

[Will737]

No. That is incorrect. The IRS did not send Karl Rove's Form 1024 to ProPublica illegally. In fact, that was not only legal of the IRS to do so, but it was actually required by the law.
First, know this. There is absolutely no dispute that this Form would have correctly been sent to anyone who asked for it had the IRS approved the Form 1024. Even Karl Rove agrees with this.
Second, Karl Rove's nonsensical nonsense about claiming that the Form was sent out improperly is based solely on the idea that his organization is not a 501©(4) organization until the IRS approves of his Form 1024. His argument is that they weren't a 501©(4) yet so the normal rules for 501©(4) disclosure do not apply yet.
Third, while Karl Rove successfully intimidated the IRS, Karl is completely wrong. The Form 1024 does not approve 501©(4) status. It merely agrees that the IRS recognizes the status. All one really need do to figure this out is to read the title of the Form.
Finally, as such the IRC 6104 disclosure rules are immediately in force the second that an application for 501©(4) status is received.

[Lemon Drop]

While it seems obvious that Rove's group is not a "social welfare" group spending less than 50% on politics, the IRS itself does not agree with what you are saying about the nature of the documents it sent ProPublica, per this report of May 13 in "The Hill."

ProPublica says it followed up with the IRS at the time to find out why it had been provided the confidential materials. The IRS responded by saying it would be illegal for ProPublica to publish the documents.

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-r...z2TqduJ9Zl