Abandon ship? In recent maritime disasters, captains don't hang around

[Lemon Drop]

I can't believe this is normal for a developed nation like South Korea - where safety is taken very seriously. Something went horribly wrong, whether it was negligence by the Captain (which certainly seems to be the case) a lack of training of junior crew, or both. And where were the adult chaperones of all these kids?? What were they doing, did they mostly drown with the kids?

I travel on car ferries regularly. I consider them very safe. I've chaperoned large groups of kids on car ferries before, the last trip was to Victoria BC up through the San Juan islands. It is a gorgeous trip but obviously if we capsized in that cold deep water it would be life or death in a matter of minutes. Evacuation would have to be quick and efficient. I'm not going to look at those trips in quite the same way again, and I'm going to want to know where the life boats and flotation devices are.

[davester]

haikuman wrote:
Dave, I would like to politely ask what you can tell us about International Maritime Training in General.
Especially in Asia *(:>* ?

Everything I know is based on stories from my bro', who is a merchant marine ship's master- unlimited tonnage-all oceans who has spent much of his career sailing the seas of the middle and far east Although he's only sailed US flagged ships, he's talked a lot about other flags. Although cbelt's generalizations can apply to a few flags of convenience and some US ships, I think that they so vastly oversimplify the issues as to be meaningless.

In any case, neither South Korea nor Italy are flags of convenience.

[Speedy]

Ive been on the ocean a grand total of one pleasure cruise (Princess Lines). Shortly after leaving port we went through an evacuation drill. We reported to muster stations. We were told to not bring anything if there was a problem. We learned what the evacuation horn sounded like. That was about the extent of the drill. Later we got a chance to ride a lifeboat to shore. If there had been a problem, I felt if we got to a lifeboat we would be pretty safe.

[DeusxMac]

Info on the ship and the incident:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sewol#Ship

This was a ship designed and built to be a FERRY, not an ocean-crossing vessel.
It would take a little over a day to complete its route from Inchon to Jeju; not a long haul by any standards.
Consequently, while regrettable, it would not be surprising if emergency training for passengers was minimal, if there were any at all.

[haikuman]

DeusxMac wrote:
Info on the ship and the incident:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sewol#Ship

This was a ship designed and built to be a FERRY, not an ocean-crossing vessel.
It would take a little over a day to complete its route from Inchon to Jeju; not a long haul by any standards.
Consequently, while regrettable, it would not be surprising if emergency training for passengers was minimal, if there were any at all.

You are a fool Deusxball ~!~ And have little knowledge of Seamanship . . .

Any questions ?

[DeusxMac]

haikuman wrote:
[quote=DeusxMac]
Info on the ship and the incident:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sewol#Ship

This was a ship designed and built to be a FERRY, not an ocean-crossing vessel.
It would take a little over a day to complete its route from Inchon to Jeju; not a long haul by any standards.
Consequently, while regrettable, it would not be surprising if emergency training for passengers was minimal, if there were any at all.

You are a fool Deusxball ~!~ And have little knowledge of Seamanship . . .

Any questions ?
Sure...

1. When did you switch over to full provocateur mode?

2. You yourself asked:

haikuman wrote: Where is the story about the crews emergency training ?
Where is the story about after everyone boards the vessel and casts off about emergency procedures being explained to the passengers ?

Did you not consider that perhaps there were no such stories because there were none to tell?

You have absolutely no way of knowing what I've sailed, where I've sailed, how long I've sailed, or my sailing credentials.

[haikuman]

Tell us more about your training and this incident . . . How you perceive it ?
I am really curious with your Asian experience s?

Did you work for a ferry company ?

[DeusxMac]

haikuman wrote:
Tell us more about your training and this incident . . . How you perceive it ?
I am really curious with your Asian experience s?

Did you work for a ferry company ?

Are you questioning my observations about the event, or merely fishing for a pi$$ing contest?

On topic; are you saying that because of your purported vast experience you know my comments were incorrect?

- This was a ship designed and built to be an ocean-crossing vessel, not merely a FERRY.

- Its route from Inchon to Jeju is a long haul by any standards.

- Emergency training for passengers was held, and it was thorough and appropriate.