2 policeman cant take down one man?

[macphanatic]

Some people who are drunk, high, steroid users or have mental issues can be extremely difficult to restrain. It can take multiple people to do so. One of my friends who is a cop says it's even worse when they're naked.

Looking at the videos above, it's hard to make a judgement call. It starts out as a simple arrest. It doesn't appear that the cops are doing anything inappropriate. The detainee escalates and appears to assault the two officers. Can't tell whether he went for one of their weapons or not. Things happen very fast and split second decisions aren't always correct. One of the problems of being human. I would not want to judge either officers' actions based upon these two videos alone.

[Sarcany]

Lemon Drop wrote:
The officer who killed Mr. Brooks just had de-escalation training in April, according to the Atlanta Journal Constitution. This is pretty standard for cops everywhere now.

I'm sure it helps but no type of training is foolproof, the officer's own good judgment is always going to be the most important factor.

Not required by the state. Not repetitive. Not really de-escalation. It was an elective class called "cultural awareness."

In other states, "de-escalation" classes are required and it's two days of intensive training and that's not enough either.

It needs to be often enough and repetitive enough to set up conditioned reflexes.

...Also, what probably set him up: He'd just won an award for the most DUI arrests in his district. Probably wanted to keep that record going.

[Ted King]

Sometimes police are justified by self defense or the defense of others in killing another person. Each incident should be assessed on its own merits as to whether or not the killing was justified.

For some of us, if this incident is judged to not be a justified homicide by a police officer - and his immediate termination hints that that is the case - then this incident is seen as part of a pattern of such incidents. And that is a systemic pattern of officers showing prejudice in their interaction with black people.

There is also the broader policing problem of officers being too militant. While there are times when an officer needs to command a citizen/resident to obey him, current practice encourages taking command of circumstances in a very aggressive manner in a very wide net of circumstances; e.g., no knock warrant raids. This broader over-militization of the police exacerbates the problem of police interactions with brown and black skinned people - they are so often the victims of this over-aggression due to individual and systemic prejudice rampant in so many police departments.

[Lemon Drop]

Sarcany wrote:
[quote=Lemon Drop]
The officer who killed Mr. Brooks just had de-escalation training in April, according to the Atlanta Journal Constitution. This is pretty standard for cops everywhere now.

I'm sure it helps but no type of training is foolproof, the officer's own good judgment is always going to be the most important factor.

Not required by the state. Not repetitive. Not really de-escalation. It was an elective class called "cultural awareness."

In other states, "de-escalation" classes are required and it's two days of intensive training and that's not enough either.

It needs to be often enough and repetitive enough to set up conditioned reflexes.

...Also, what probably set him up: He'd just won an award for the most DUI arrests in his district. Probably wanted to keep that record going.
According to the Georgia Peace Officer Standards and Training Council, Rolfe had recently received use of force training. On April 24, he took a nine-hour course on de-escalation options, his record shows. And on Jan. 9, Rolfe was trained on the use of deadly force at the DeKalb County police academy. He was a member of APD’s High Intensity Traffic Team, according to the department. In May 2019, Rolfe was honored by Mothers Against Drunk Driving for making more than 50 arrests for driving under the influence during the previous year, according to APD.

https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/brea...t7uSjvoZP/

[RgrF]

Why should a police officer be awarded for just doing his job? This goes to adding a competition for a medal as an incentive to go above and beyond in allowing the police force to add much in the way of seized assets to the department budget.

Some ethically challenged sheriff's have actually added bonuses to deputies who effect property seizures for their departments.