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bfd wrote:
Not sure how the system worked at MSU, but it's a cumbersome one elsewhere that requires lots of effort to actually work as intended by campus authorities. When everyone needs a green dot just to come on campus, buy lunch at the commons, enter a dorm or a classroom, the whole process eventually gets broken by its own weight.
Good to go!
It didn't work anything like that at MSU and doesn't seem to me like it was a particularly severe burden.
No green dots. If you were a student, you had to show proof of vaccination (or a valid reason not to) to enroll. Likewise, faculty and staff had to be vaccinated as a condition of employment.
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mattkime wrote:
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[quote=Acer]
Peanuts are routinely banned in schools.
We need government supplied peanut detectors to scan everyone coming on campus.
I think I've detected a nut - who do I report this to?
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AllGold wrote:
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Not sure how the system worked at MSU, but it's a cumbersome one elsewhere that requires lots of effort to actually work as intended by campus authorities. When everyone needs a green dot just to come on campus, buy lunch at the commons, enter a dorm or a classroom, the whole process eventually gets broken by its own weight.
Good to go!
It didn't work anything like that at MSU and doesn't seem to me like it was a particularly severe burden.
No green dots. If you were a student, you had to show proof of vaccination (or a valid reason not to) to enroll. Likewise, faculty and staff had to be vaccinated as a condition of employment.
I'm familiar with a university that is a fraction of the size of MSU and it has been a serious burden for them to keep track of all the comings and goings and who is and is not vaccinated. They have more or less given up except for the students and faculty. There is a ton of administrative infrastructure
to keep up if you're intent on policing everyone.
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It is absurd that one of single most important tools in public health developed by science is now a political tool.
Mr645 is only parroting what they hear.
And some of this is from both sides of the idealogical spectrum, including MAGA red and 'educated' lefties.
We're running the 'experiments' - that is, what is the consequence of no vaccines?
Polio clinics at world-class hospitals, needed now after 50 years:
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-cond...c-20376518
Measles outbreaks and deaths where there had been few or none in prior decades.
https://www.health.state.mn.us/diseases/...stats.html
But they do not want to hear the data.
I recommend you save the first link, those without vaccines are 10x, 100x, 1000x more likely to need them than the rest of us who do our part to protect both ourselves, and those around us who are immunocompromised.
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mrbigstuff wrote:
[quote=AllGold]
[quote=bfd]
Not sure how the system worked at MSU, but it's a cumbersome one elsewhere that requires lots of effort to actually work as intended by campus authorities. When everyone needs a green dot just to come on campus, buy lunch at the commons, enter a dorm or a classroom, the whole process eventually gets broken by its own weight.
Good to go!
It didn't work anything like that at MSU and doesn't seem to me like it was a particularly severe burden.
No green dots. If you were a student, you had to show proof of vaccination (or a valid reason not to) to enroll. Likewise, faculty and staff had to be vaccinated as a condition of employment.
I'm familiar with a university that is a fraction of the size of MSU and it has been a serious burden for them to keep track of all the comings and goings and who is and is not vaccinated. They have more or less given up except for the students and faculty. There is a ton of administrative infrastructure
to keep up if you're intent on policing everyone.
If they're trying to keep track of everyone coming and going, then of course it would be an administrative burden. MSU does it by big-picture policies. They can control their students and staff, but don't try to control access for the general public. When 15K people show up for a basketball game, they're not checking vaccination status individually.
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Look on the bright side. When (and if) a next wave of the serious killer virus mounts itself again, MSU will serve as an early warning signal.
(be sure to specify MSU team colors on your flower arrangements)
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sekker wrote:
It is absurd that one of single most important tools in public health developed by science is now a political tool.
Mr645 is only parroting what they hear.
And some of this is from both sides of the idealogical spectrum, including MAGA red and 'educated' lefties.
We're running the 'experiments' - that is, what is the consequence of no vaccines?
Polio clinics at world-class hospitals, needed now after 50 years:
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-cond...c-20376518
Measles outbreaks and deaths where there had been few or none in prior decades.
https://www.health.state.mn.us/diseases/...stats.html
But they do not want to hear the data.
I recommend you save the first link, those without vaccines are 10x, 100x, 1000x more likely to need them than the rest of us who do our part to protect both ourselves, and those around us who are immunocompromised.
Yea, a virtual pandemic, vaccinate 150 million people.
2008 0 0 0 0
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2010 2 0 1 3
2011 3 23 0 26
2012 0 0 0 0
2013 2 0 0 2
2014 2 0 0 2
2015 2 0 0 2
2016 2 0 0 2
2017 0 75 0 75
2018 2 0 0 2
2019 0 0 0 0
2020 0 0 0 0
2021 0 0 0 0
2022 14 8 0 22
2023 0 0 0 0
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A list of numbers. What is it? Proof of counting? Intelligence test scores? If they're supposed to be random, your processes are not stochastic and your generator is broken.
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Mr645 wrote:
Yea, a virtual pandemic, vaccinate 150 million people.
2008 0 0 0 0
2009 0 0 1 1
2010 2 0 1 3
2011 3 23 0 26
2012 0 0 0 0
2013 2 0 0 2
2014 2 0 0 2
2015 2 0 0 2
2016 2 0 0 2
2017 0 75 0 75
2018 2 0 0 2
2019 0 0 0 0
2020 0 0 0 0
2021 0 0 0 0
2022 14 8 0 22
2023 0 0 0 0
It’s important to ACTUALLY READ the information accompanying the data…
”Measles is a rare disease in Minnesota and in the U.S.; however, measles is still common in other parts of the world. Most measles cases occurring in Minnesota result from someone traveling to or from countries where measles is common, and who are infectious with measles after arriving in Minnesota. Measles can spread easily to unvaccinated persons. Maintaining high immunization rates is essential to preventing measles.”
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Mister (and I'm using that term loosely):
If you want people to take you seriously, you need to be serious about your data, especially if you are going to spout it.
For instance, the numbers you quoted were just for Minnesota. I had to look at the previous quotes listed to try to determine what the heck these numbers meant.
(a) You made me have to go look up your crap. Not making points with your audience there, and leads to us in the audience believing you don't know your stuff. Just this one time I looked it up, but I don't have time for this. Minus points.
(b) Sarcasm? Is that what that was? Really makes for an intelligent argument there. Minus points.
© You didn't even quote the entirety of the data, nor did you take the parts that made any sense, but only cherry picked it. Badly at that, even. Minus points to you.
(d) You take the data you found out of context. Again, negative points awarded because you definitely don't know your stuff. So, tell me, what is the population of Minnesota? In 2022, it was 5,717,184 individuals per Wikipedia, and they got it here: "U.S. Census Bureau QuickFacts". QuickFacts. U.S. Census Bureau, 2021 Estimate. Archived from the original on January 1, 2023. Retrieved January 1, 2023. Not 150 million. Where did this number come from? The population of the United States was estimated on 1 Jan 2023 at 334,233,854 individuals, per the US Census web page: US Census population clock for 1 Jan 2023, just to make the numbers somewhat comparable. Which you DIDN'T DO. Below zero now, dude.
(e) Attribution? or did did you pull it out of the lower sphincter that I'm sure you have? You are now well into the negative points, and owe them to us. Attributing something that someone else did or said to yourself is plagiarism, which is an intellectual crime that will definitely make others ignore you at best and hold you in contempt, never believing anything you say. If you don't understand what I mean by the term "plagiarism," the more common term is "lying" or more specifically "lying to make yourself look better, or smarter, or more capable than you really are in an intellectual setting." I've seen people lose their jobs over stunts like this.
Your writing makes you appear to be a troll, and an ignorant one at that. Please try better.
I've had freshmen college students do better than this.
sekker:
No, I'm not cutting them any slack simply because they're parroting. If they want to be taken seriously, they will straighten up their act. As it is, when I see that they wrote something or that they have replied, I usually ignore because I know the response is just baiting or just ignorance given utterance.
Mr645 wrote:
[quote=sekker]
It is absurd that one of single most important tools in public health developed by science is now a political tool.
Mr645 is only parroting what they hear.
And some of this is from both sides of the idealogical spectrum, including MAGA red and 'educated' lefties.
We're running the 'experiments' - that is, what is the consequence of no vaccines?
Polio clinics at world-class hospitals, needed now after 50 years:
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-cond...c-20376518
Measles outbreaks and deaths where there had been few or none in prior decades.
https://www.health.state.mn.us/diseases/...stats.html
But they do not want to hear the data.
I recommend you save the first link, those without vaccines are 10x, 100x, 1000x more likely to need them than the rest of us who do our part to protect both ourselves, and those around us who are immunocompromised.
Yea, a virtual pandemic, vaccinate 150 million people.
2008 0 0 0 0
2009 0 0 1 1
2010 2 0 1 3
2011 3 23 0 26
2012 0 0 0 0
2013 2 0 0 2
2014 2 0 0 2
2015 2 0 0 2
2016 2 0 0 2
2017 0 75 0 75
2018 2 0 0 2
2019 0 0 0 0
2020 0 0 0 0
2021 0 0 0 0
2022 14 8 0 22
2023 0 0 0 0
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