How Brazil handles a school shooting

[Mr645]

sekker wrote:
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[quote=Mr645]
We need a solution to keep guns and other weapons from the hands of criminals. At the same time not infringing on the rights of law abiding citizens.

Perhaps hanse sentences for crimes committed with a gun?
Background checks on all gun purchases, although a vast majority are already done, it would make t criminal to buy a gun for cash on the streets.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2022/...gs-tuesday

We can't do registration or other restrictions because that would infringe on the rights of the people.

We require registrations for cars. Why not guns? A registration process does not prevent me from owning and using a car (which I have done since I was 17 years old).

I am 100% in favor of real background checks.

I have never written, and nor will I in the future, propose policy that's intended to end any Constitutional right.

Somehow, we need to find a way for serious-minded people to sit down and work this problem.

I think mental health is the most critical areas to start with since 2/3rd of gun deaths in the USA are suicides.
Think of how many other issues we could solve with a solid handle on mental health, from suicide, mass shootings, addiction, domestic violence......
Yes, let's work on mental health. That's awesome we can find common ground.

But what else would be great is making sure there is a background check for buying guns so that those with known mental health issues do not have access to them.

I also believe we can walk and chew gum at the same time. Why is it far easier to buy a gun in Minnesota than a car? When you sell a car, you are responsible for registering who you sold it to. If that car does something wrong, until the new owner registration is complete, YOU are responsible. By the way, when I sell a used car directly (as opposed selling to a dealer), I now only do so by signing the title over AT the DMV.

Why not do that for guns?
We first needs leaders willing to put solutions ahead of votes. Like screaming about the AR-15, which is responsible for a fraction of deaths compared to handguns. Our own President thinks eliminating AR-15 rifles will have any effect on gun related deaths when 90% fo gun related deaths and crime are committed with hand guns.

Cars are responsible for a massive amount of financial damage, and a few fatalities. Guns rarely cause financial damage, and that's why cars require at minimum, Property damage liability insurance.

Also cars, transportation is a privalage while owning a gun is a right provided by the founding documents of our nation. .Like it or not, it's part of the fabric of our nation.

[Acer]

A handgun ban would save the most lives. Prove me wrong.

[Speedy]

“Guns rarely cause financial damage”

Oh, really?

[Mr645]

Acer wrote:
A handgun ban would save the most lives. Prove me wrong.

Except for the large number of crimes prevented by defensive use of hand guns. But a ban would stop a lot of gun related suicides, rifles are very difficult to use to kill yourself

[Mr645]

Speedy wrote:
“Guns rarely cause financial damage”

Oh, really?

Compared to car crashes, yes

[sekker]

Mr645 wrote:
[quote=sekker]
[quote=Mr645]
[quote=sekker]
[quote=Mr645]
We need a solution to keep guns and other weapons from the hands of criminals. At the same time not infringing on the rights of law abiding citizens.

Perhaps hanse sentences for crimes committed with a gun?
Background checks on all gun purchases, although a vast majority are already done, it would make t criminal to buy a gun for cash on the streets.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2022/...gs-tuesday

We can't do registration or other restrictions because that would infringe on the rights of the people.

We require registrations for cars. Why not guns? A registration process does not prevent me from owning and using a car (which I have done since I was 17 years old).

I am 100% in favor of real background checks.

I have never written, and nor will I in the future, propose policy that's intended to end any Constitutional right.

Somehow, we need to find a way for serious-minded people to sit down and work this problem.

I think mental health is the most critical areas to start with since 2/3rd of gun deaths in the USA are suicides.
Think of how many other issues we could solve with a solid handle on mental health, from suicide, mass shootings, addiction, domestic violence......
Yes, let's work on mental health. That's awesome we can find common ground.

But what else would be great is making sure there is a background check for buying guns so that those with known mental health issues do not have access to them.

I also believe we can walk and chew gum at the same time. Why is it far easier to buy a gun in Minnesota than a car? When you sell a car, you are responsible for registering who you sold it to. If that car does something wrong, until the new owner registration is complete, YOU are responsible. By the way, when I sell a used car directly (as opposed selling to a dealer), I now only do so by signing the title over AT the DMV.

Why not do that for guns?
We first needs leaders willing to put solutions ahead of votes. Like screaming about the AR-15, which is responsible for a fraction of deaths compared to handguns. Our own President thinks eliminating AR-15 rifles will have any effect on gun related deaths when 90% fo gun related deaths and crime are committed with hand guns.

Cars are responsible for a massive amount of financial damage, and a few fatalities. Guns rarely cause financial damage, and that's why cars require at minimum, Property damage liability insurance.

Also cars, transportation is a privalage while owning a gun is a right provided by the founding documents of our nation. .Like it or not, it's part of the fabric of our nation.
I do not understand your logic. How is the first issue tied to anything else? I did not talk about AR-15 rifles.

As for deaths - we are still talking ~50,000 gun-related deaths in the US in 2021. And that is MORE than the auto deaths of ~43,000.

When will enough be enough? I do not want to see ANYONE die of a car crash. I support car safety measures.

I do not want to see people die from guns. I support gun safety measures.

Why is this so hard to discuss and find a way forward?

[Mr645]

sekker wrote:
[quote=Mr645]
[quote=sekker]
[quote=Mr645]
[quote=sekker]
[quote=Mr645]
We need a solution to keep guns and other weapons from the hands of criminals. At the same time not infringing on the rights of law abiding citizens.

Perhaps hanse sentences for crimes committed with a gun?
Background checks on all gun purchases, although a vast majority are already done, it would make t criminal to buy a gun for cash on the streets.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2022/...gs-tuesday

We can't do registration or other restrictions because that would infringe on the rights of the people.

We require registrations for cars. Why not guns? A registration process does not prevent me from owning and using a car (which I have done since I was 17 years old).

I am 100% in favor of real background checks.

I have never written, and nor will I in the future, propose policy that's intended to end any Constitutional right.

Somehow, we need to find a way for serious-minded people to sit down and work this problem.

I think mental health is the most critical areas to start with since 2/3rd of gun deaths in the USA are suicides.
Think of how many other issues we could solve with a solid handle on mental health, from suicide, mass shootings, addiction, domestic violence......
Yes, let's work on mental health. That's awesome we can find common ground.

But what else would be great is making sure there is a background check for buying guns so that those with known mental health issues do not have access to them.

I also believe we can walk and chew gum at the same time. Why is it far easier to buy a gun in Minnesota than a car? When you sell a car, you are responsible for registering who you sold it to. If that car does something wrong, until the new owner registration is complete, YOU are responsible. By the way, when I sell a used car directly (as opposed selling to a dealer), I now only do so by signing the title over AT the DMV.

Why not do that for guns?
We first needs leaders willing to put solutions ahead of votes. Like screaming about the AR-15, which is responsible for a fraction of deaths compared to handguns. Our own President thinks eliminating AR-15 rifles will have any effect on gun related deaths when 90% fo gun related deaths and crime are committed with hand guns.

Cars are responsible for a massive amount of financial damage, and a few fatalities. Guns rarely cause financial damage, and that's why cars require at minimum, Property damage liability insurance.

Also cars, transportation is a privalage while owning a gun is a right provided by the founding documents of our nation. .Like it or not, it's part of the fabric of our nation.
I do not understand your logic. How is the first issue tied to anything else? I did not talk about AR-15 rifles.

As for deaths - we are still talking ~50,000 gun-related deaths in the US in 2021. And that is MORE than the auto deaths of ~43,000.

When will enough be enough? I do not want to see ANYONE die of a car crash. I support car safety measures.

I do not want to see people die from guns. I support gun safety measures.

Why is this so hard to discuss and find a way forward?
Makes sense, we al want safer roads and cars but no one wants to give up their 700 hp 200+mph sports cars. We all want safer results from gun ownership, but few are interested in safer schools, better mental health services, new technologies to weed out unstable people before they commit mass shootings.

[Acer]

but few are interested in safer schools, better mental health services, new technologies to weed out unstable people before they commit mass shootings.

Whatever can we do to improve mental health services, it's going to cost money. How can it not? And how much are we willing to spend? So far, the answer from the right is Zero.

[DeusxMac]

Mr645 wrote:
Makes sense, we al want safer roads and cars but no one wants to give up their 700 hp 200+mph sports cars. We all want safer results from gun ownership, but few are interested in safer schools, better mental health services, new technologies to weed out unstable people before they commit mass shootings.

Mr645 wrote:
You probably feel the same about me because I drive a 700hp, 200 mph+ supercharged V8 Cadillac instead of a Toyota Prius that will also reach 70 mph, as fast as anyone needs to drive

The degree of obtuseness boggles the mind! :facepalm:

[Speedy]

We could require guns to weigh a minimum of 75 pounds and only be able to fire once every 15 minutes.