‘Disgusting': Black Republicans livid over DeSantis’ slavery curriculum

[Lemon Drop]

Janit wrote:
[quote=Lemon Drop]
"Not to mention Scott's old school paternalism, since he seems to believe that the rape of slave women was only offensive because they were the property of their husbands."

When did Tim Scott say that rape of enslaved women was only offensive because they were "property of their husbands?"

It's in the subtext of his phrasing "about mutilating humans and even raping their wives." At best it's sloppy, at worst it harks back to notions that men are the real humans and that women are just their wives.

There is admittedly a certain rhetorical rhythm to the way he phrased it, but it is telling that he didn't think to look for a better way to say it.

You are putting words and thoughts about enslaved people in the mouth of a Black man who grew up poor in Charleston, South Carolina.

I think I'd refrain from that.

[vision63]

Lemon Drop wrote:
[quote=Janit]
[quote=Lemon Drop]
"Not to mention Scott's old school paternalism, since he seems to believe that the rape of slave women was only offensive because they were the property of their husbands."

When did Tim Scott say that rape of enslaved women was only offensive because they were "property of their husbands?"

It's in the subtext of his phrasing "about mutilating humans and even raping their wives." At best it's sloppy, at worst it harks back to notions that men are the real humans and that women are just their wives.

There is admittedly a certain rhetorical rhythm to the way he phrased it, but it is telling that he didn't think to look for a better way to say it.

You are putting words and thoughts about enslaved people in the mouth of a Black man who grew up poor in Charleston, South Carolina.

I think I'd refrain from that.
*%$# him. He needs to be destroyed. We gotta fight enemies AND we gotta fight him?

[Lemon Drop]

vision63 wrote:
[quote=Lemon Drop]
[quote=Janit]
[quote=Lemon Drop]
"Not to mention Scott's old school paternalism, since he seems to believe that the rape of slave women was only offensive because they were the property of their husbands."

When did Tim Scott say that rape of enslaved women was only offensive because they were "property of their husbands?"

It's in the subtext of his phrasing "about mutilating humans and even raping their wives." At best it's sloppy, at worst it harks back to notions that men are the real humans and that women are just their wives.

There is admittedly a certain rhetorical rhythm to the way he phrased it, but it is telling that he didn't think to look for a better way to say it.

You are putting words and thoughts about enslaved people in the mouth of a Black man who grew up poor in Charleston, South Carolina.

I think I'd refrain from that.
*%$# him. He needs to be destroyed. We gotta fight enemies AND we gotta fight him?
He's one of my Senators.
I'm probably the only person on here who has actually fought against him, politically.

But I won't claim he said something he didn't say in order to make him look bad.

There is plenty he DID say to work with.

[vision63]

Lemon Drop wrote:
[quote=vision63]
[quote=Lemon Drop]
[quote=Janit]
[quote=Lemon Drop]
"Not to mention Scott's old school paternalism, since he seems to believe that the rape of slave women was only offensive because they were the property of their husbands."

When did Tim Scott say that rape of enslaved women was only offensive because they were "property of their husbands?"

It's in the subtext of his phrasing "about mutilating humans and even raping their wives." At best it's sloppy, at worst it harks back to notions that men are the real humans and that women are just their wives.

There is admittedly a certain rhetorical rhythm to the way he phrased it, but it is telling that he didn't think to look for a better way to say it.

You are putting words and thoughts about enslaved people in the mouth of a Black man who grew up poor in Charleston, South Carolina.

I think I'd refrain from that.
*%$# him. He needs to be destroyed. We gotta fight enemies AND we gotta fight him?
He's one of my Senators.
I'm probably the only person on here who has actually fought against him, politically.

But I won't claim he said something he didn't say in order to make him look bad.

There is plenty he DID say to work with.
That's true. But he broils my biscuits.

And it's not just because he's a Republican. It's that he carries water for liars.

You won't ever see me criticize Condoleeza Rice or Colin Powell. They carried water, but not because they were trying to deceive.

[Janit]

Lemon Drop wrote:
He's one of my Senators.
I'm probably the only person on here who has actually fought against him, politically.

But I won't claim he said something he didn't say in order to make him look bad.

There is plenty he DID say to work with.

If you don't see the subtext that I see, then fair enough. What's not fair is to accuse me of putting words in Scott's mouth. A lot of contemporary politics consists of saying things without actually saying them, of using dog whistles to reach certain audiences while maintaining plausible deniability with the rest, of gaslighting to the max. I DON'T know what's actually going on in Scott's mind, but I do have standing to object that some of his rhetorical formulations are ill-chosen.

This conversation is getting toxic, so I will leave it at that.

[Ca Bob]

While never being a southerner, I have been told on good authority by people who lived there that there is often a kind of slavery denialism, that claims that "they were friends" and that slavery wasn't so bad, and so forth. I would think that being owned, and without rights, and subject to mistreatment or sale (!) at any time should be bad enough. Would we in this modern age accept the idea that some of us could be put in jail for no reason, and transferred to another jail on somebody's whim? Would that be OK because the jailers were friendly and occasionally served dessert with lunch? It's crazy. This latest fad of defending slavery at any level seems like an attempt to return to the bad old days of 1866, and the rhetoric of the lost cause. I realize that talking back to nonsense is sometimes difficult work, and often the blowback is distasteful, but I think we ought to do it anyway. And this is said with sympathy for those who live in states where it has to be done. I would merely mention in passing that at one time in my life, I lived in a midwestern state where we constantly had to defend freedom of expression against a much narrower evangelical view.

[$tevie]

I'm a little bit surprised that Randy Newman's "Sail Away" hasn't shown up on social media by now. I imagine that DeSantis takes it at face value.

In America you'll get food to eat
Won't have to run through the jungle
And scuff up your feet
You'll just sing about Jesus and drink wine all day
It's great to be an American

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCRGrnhdNQE

[$tevie]

[Janit]

$tevie wrote:

Perfect!