Does Pallin really think "Under God" was in the pledge of allegiance?

[Black Landlord]

[quote Mr Downtown][quote karsen]Heck, read the Constitution for several references to God.
Please cite one.
Is it ust me, or has it become completely impossible to tell who's serious and who's joking here?

[vision63]

I pledge allegiance to whatever "I" think is important. You all should adjust your allegiances to whatever it is I think is relevant most recently.

[Lux Interior]

[quote billb]

How about a flag ?

have you ever pledged any sort of allegiance to a child or a wife ? How about a friend ?
Yeah, that is pretty stupid, too. Pledging allegiance to an inanimate object in addition to the republic for which it stands.

I took an oath when I enlisted.

I recited the pledge countless times as a child. What was the point? Should I have been thrown in prison in first grade if I refused?

[Greg the dogsitter]

[quote Black Landlord][quote Mr Downtown][quote karsen]Heck, read the Constitution for several references to God.
Please cite one.
Is it ust me, or has it become completely impossible to tell who's serious and who's joking here?
:-)

[Mr Downtown]

I'm not in on what the joke is here. There's not a single reference to God or any other deity in the U.S. Constitution.

[Black Landlord]

[quote Mr Downtown]I'm not in on what the joke is here. There's not a single reference to God or any other deity in the U.S. Constitution. The joke is laying an egg like this, and then "forgetting" to check the thread again.
I guess it's more of a practical joke than anything.

[Black Landlord]

[quote Mr Downtown][quote karsen]Heck, read the Constitution for several references to God.
Please cite one.
Paging Karsen.

[davester]

I think Karsen follows that "other" constitution...you know, the one geedubya is taking orders from via the voices in his head.

[karsen]

[quote karsen]James Madison, who is considered the father of the US Constitution, trained for ministry and has many writings on God if you care to look. Heck, read the Constitution for several references to God.
Yeah, I'm here. I goofed and don't expect to hear the end of it.

I didn't mean to cite the Constitution in the second sentence. I meant to say the Declaration of Independence.

Whatever. I made a mistake. Now I'm not fit to be VP.

[Ted King]

[quote karsen][quote karsen]James Madison, who is considered the father of the US Constitution, trained for ministry and has many writings on God if you care to look. Heck, read the Constitution for several references to God.
Yeah, I'm here. I goofed and don't expect to hear the end of it.

I didn't mean to cite the Constitution in the second sentence. I meant to say the Declaration of Independence.

Whatever. I made a mistake. Now I'm not fit to be VP.
Oh, I see. Yep, you're right, the Declaration of Independence does have four mentions of what could be construed as "God". But the God Jefferson was talking about was almost certainly not a lot like the God most Christians relate to as "God". Jefferson was not a Christian - in his time many people labeled him a Deist. The key relationship between Jefferson's beliefs and his writing of the Declaration has to do with his philosophical position with respect to ethics. He thought what is morally right and wrong came from the creator of nature (Nature's God) and could not be derived from nature itself. So when the colonies set out to make the case for breaking with Britain, and Jefferson felt it essential to make the case in ethical terms, he invoked the notion of Nature's God as the source of the moral justification for the break.

So in the Declaration of Independence one can find reference to a God, but I'll bet it is not much like the God most Christians think Jefferson was referencing; e.g., Jefferson very clearly did not think Jesus was divine (he did think Jesus was a great moral teacher, though). I'll bet Palin had no clue as to what Jefferson meant when he appealed to "God" in the writing of the Declaration when she said, "If it was good enough for the founding fathers it is good enough for me."