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If you load an unpaid for OS X install on your mini 9
#11
bik wrote:
For Apple, the profit is in the hardware. The OS is just the draw. If you are not going to buy the Apple hardware, and you ARE going to put the OS on the non-Apple hardware, just do it. No real harm to Apple.

All the people who say "at least pay for the OS" are just fooling themselves and rationalizing. Paid for or not, putting OS X on Dell hardware is against the EULA.

Apple still makes a profit on software, just not as high of a margin. If you use Apple's software without paying, you have damaged Apple in an actionable manner; the same may not necessarily be said of violating the EULA, an act that does not equate to violating a legal statute.
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#12
I don't see ever using my Dell Mini 9 for anything other than email, web surfing, calendar and addresses, so Linux should do the job and keep expenses to a minimum. The Mini makes it so I won't need to take my main computer (a Powerbook) and all my info on short trips.

So far in the week I've owned the Mini the only thing I don't have on the Mini is an Address Book substitute. I recognized that Google Calendar can import ics files I export from iCal so that I can have access to my calendar.
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#13
The silence from some of the more outspoken DellMini9 owners speaks volumes.
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#14
We still have Ubuntu on the MINI 9 we bought. Still thinking of putting Leopard on it soon. Haven't fully decided. It's my wife's, and she likes the games it comes with. And of course, browsing is fine. Not sure the purchase price of Leopard is worth it. Particularly with Snow Leopard a few months away? and no doubt more desirable than plain old 'n' busted Leopard.

My 2 cents on this discussion:
1) Apple loses nothing on the hardware when someone puts OS X on a netbook and wouldn't have otherwise purchased a new Mac.

2) Apple certainly makes a profit on each retail OS X sale. And they gave anybody permission to install it without paying for it.

3) Their policy of limiting installs to their own hardware is regrettable (IMO) but it's still their choice.
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#15
Marc Anthony wrote:
[quote=bik]
For Apple, the profit is in the hardware. The OS is just the draw. If you are not going to buy the Apple hardware, and you ARE going to put the OS on the non-Apple hardware, just do it. No real harm to Apple.

All the people who say "at least pay for the OS" are just fooling themselves and rationalizing. Paid for or not, putting OS X on Dell hardware is against the EULA.

Apple still makes a profit on software, just not as high of a margin. If you use Apple's software without paying, you have damaged Apple in an actionable manner; the same may not necessarily be said of violating the EULA, an act that does not equate to violating a legal statute.
You're quoting me from the part where I was trying to help people rationalize their violations. Not necessarily a point I'd want to argue.

But, since you bring up the distinction of breaking the law vs. breaking the EULA, isn't that just more rationalization? "Well, it's wrong, but it's not REALLY wrong."

How would you feel if it was your intellectual property, and you offered it for a relatively low (compared to Windows) price to enhance your hardware business, but your loyal customers took advantage of loopholes and rationalizations to use it on any old hardware?

Right now, Apple's riding high, so what do they care. But, what if a few years from now their hardware business is in the pooper and Dell Mini 9 was just the start. Maybe 3 years from now every Dell, HP, and Acme computer can load OS X, and Apple's hardware unit sales are down 50%.

Unlike the RIAA, Apple is unlikely to start suing their customers. But, as Racer X points out, they would likely raise their prices and start instituting some painful activation schemes. Then ALL Apple users can suffer for those who decided to use Apple's intellectual property as they see fit.

[BTW - I would be among those who would use Apple's IP as I see fit. But, I'm just sayin'...]
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#16
3d wrote:
The silence from some of the more outspoken DellMini9 owners speaks volumes.

Whatever.

In this place, if you said you purchased a retail copy specifically to put on your Mini 9; you're called a liar.

And how many members here have used a single installation on multiple Mac? I have never read daily posts vilifying those people.

I have read posts where people said they feel justified using the same install disc on a desktop and a laptop because one is used just part of the time. Where does it say that in the EULA?

People cherry pick which moral ambiguities to focus attention on to make them feel better about their own deficiencies. In the end, none of us are without fault.
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#17
[totally aside from the mini 9 Q]:
It is unfortunate that a number of forum members will jump down anybody's throat at the first hint of jaywalking. In the old forum, those responses were just the cranky 2% of the more diverse spectrum heard; here w/fewer opinions to balance them, they hold sway in the threads more often.

I don't mind a well-considered reminder regarding ethics in a given situation, but I do not like to see offal flung as a knee-jerk reaction, especially when the flinger is misjudging the presumed innocent.
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#18
much of this is based on how many people here ask how to install the OS from their MacBook/iMac/mini install disks on their netbooks. If THAT isn't software piracy, I don't know what is.
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#19
rgG wrote: I have the low end Surf. It is running what it came with straight out of the box. It is great for travel, because it is so much lighter and smaller than an iBook or MacBook. The only thing that I find is not as user friendly is the way the WiFi connects. It works and all, but the AirPort interface is so much nicer. Still, for a fraction of the price of a MacBook, you have to give up something. If I had waited, I might have opted for a mini 9, but since this is just a traveling/ultra portable machine, it works fine for what it does. I had no desire whatsoever to have any version of Windows, even on a netbook.

I totally agree. I never considered Windows for netbook, or any use for that matter. Too bad Asus wants Xandros to look so XPesque in its stock config.


Nathan
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