Labor Unions Preparing their Wish List -

[$tevie]

Gutenberg wrote:
So it's ok for GM CEO Rick Wagoner to make $15.7 million, and it's ok for Ford CEO Alan Mullaly to make $17 million, and it's not ok for a guy on the line to make $25 an hour including benefits?

[NeverMind]

Dakota wrote:
[quote=Doc]
Given the anti-union government we've had for the last several years and the anti-union sentiment engendered by the auto industry, perhaps it's time for unions to have a resurgence in this country.

To accomplish what? What is the hourly wage+benefit to tighten wheel lugs?
It's about companies that have a record of making huge profits on slave wages. Companies that make millions in profits.

American auto makers are not losing because their cars are priced higher; they are losing because their technology, quality, and design is not what the public wants, expects, or needs.

[Black Landlord]

NeverMind wrote:
[quote=Dakota]
[quote=Doc]
Given the anti-union government we've had for the last several years and the anti-union sentiment engendered by the auto industry, perhaps it's time for unions to have a resurgence in this country.

To accomplish what? What is the hourly wage+benefit to tighten wheel lugs?
It's about companies that have a record of making huge profits on slave wages. Companies that make millions in profits.

American auto makers are not losing because their cars are priced higher; they are losing because their technology, quality, and design is not what the public wants, expects, or needs.
And aren't some of the "foreign" cars that are pushing the big 3 into extinction assembled here by union workers, and don't some of them rank among the highest in terms of US-made components by percentage?

[Black Landlord]

swampy wrote:
It'll be very interesting indeed to see if their president-elect doesn't come through in the ways the unions envisioned. I mean, what can they do, and are unions really that special?

Republican Party, Average Working Joe Bid One Another Adieu Until 2012

November 4, 2008 | Issue 44•45

WASHINGTON—As the 2008 presidential campaign came to a close Tuesday, the Republican Party and the average American hard-working Joe bid each other a fond farewell at a small rally in Pennsylvania, vowing to meet once again, as scheduled, at the dawn of the next election season. "The Republican Party wishes to thank the Joe for his cooperation and faithful support, and we look forward to acknowledging his needs again in 2012," said GOP representative Luke Hayes, moments before getting in a car and heading back to Washington. "Until then, old friend, we'd just like to say happy trails to you and best of luck." Representatives for the average working Joe reported that the time spent together had been a pleasure, even though he did not actually get around to voting this year.

[Gutenberg]

Speak for yourself, NM. I bought a compact Chevy in May and it was a better car in my opinion than the comparable Corolla or Civic. Cheaper too, and I got 2.9 percent financing. I traded in my 14-year-old Saturn on the new car. People speak very highly of the Ford Focus. American cars are by and large good solid cars.

[Mac1337]

NeverMind wrote:


It's about companies that have a record of making huge profits on slave wages. Companies that make millions in profits.

Profits? Where?

[Mac1337]

lafinfil wrote:
[quote=Dakota]
[quote=Doc]
Given the anti-union government we've had for the last several years and the anti-union sentiment engendered by the auto industry, perhaps it's time for unions to have a resurgence in this country.

To accomplish what? What is the hourly wage+benefit to tighten wheel lugs?
You work in a big building ? Ever wonder who hung the iron so it doesn't fall down, wire the electrical
so you aren't electrocuted, laid the plumbing so you don't have gas explosions ?
I fully appreciate what everyone does for a living. There is a world of difference between a coal mine worker and an auto assembly worker working in a clean air conditioned factory. I would give the world to that mine worker. You can't pay him enough. Please research their respective wages and report back if you want a substantive discussion.

[Black Landlord]

Dakota wrote:
[quote=lafinfil]
[quote=Dakota]
[quote=Doc]
Given the anti-union government we've had for the last several years and the anti-union sentiment engendered by the auto industry, perhaps it's time for unions to have a resurgence in this country.

To accomplish what? What is the hourly wage+benefit to tighten wheel lugs?
You work in a big building ? Ever wonder who hung the iron so it doesn't fall down, wire the electrical
so you aren't electrocuted, laid the plumbing so you don't have gas explosions ?
I fully appreciate what everyone does for a living. There is a world of difference between a coal mine worker and an auto assembly worker working in a clean air conditioned factory. I would give the world to that mine worker. You can't pay him enough. Please research their respective wages and report back if you want a substantive discussion.
Non sequitur.

[lafinfil]

Dakota wrote:
I fully appreciate what everyone does for a living. There is a world of difference between a coal mine worker and an auto assembly worker working in a clean air conditioned factory. I would give the world to that mine worker. You can't pay him enough. Please research their respective wages and report back if you want a substantive discussion.

So what kind of factories have you ever spent any time in ?

Personally I've been in more than I can remember - both union and non union

automobile, pharmaceutical, heavy drive train, large engine assembly, trailer manufacturing, heavy steering gear,
aluminum smelting and casting, ag processing, biochemical production, gear & torque hub production,
heat treat, industrial powder coat and painting and on and on ....

You ever set foot on a factory floor ? I'd be interested in your insights if you have any.

[Gutenberg]

Plus there is ample evidence above that you do not "fully appreciate what everyone does for a living":

Dakota wrote:

To accomplish what? What is the hourly wage+benefit to tighten wheel lugs?