GM to customers: "Ummmm you might want to keep that SUV out of the garage..."

[Carnos Jax]

"Yer all idiots!" ;-)

Here's something to keep y'all occupied: http://slickdeals.net/f/7124500-36-pack-...ses-14?v=1

[macphanatic]

At this point, why would anyone buy a GM vehicle, either new or built in the last several years?

[Ombligo]

Cars in general have become to electronicfied and tech based - it's a car, meant to get from point A to point B reliably. In stead we have mobile hotspot, satellite transmission points with monitoring of everything from air pressure to zero emissions. Today's mechanics are more technologically savvy than the rocket scientists who got us to the moon. With all those fancy fancy wiz-bangs features, it is quite understandable why recalls are the norm rather than the exception.

There will never be a modern car with the turn-key reliability as a 1966 Dodge Dart with a slant six engine. Manufacturers and buyers need to remember the KISS principle.

[mrlynn]

Racer X wrote:
If they reduced the complexity, and cut down on the number of parts, the chance of defects drop.

Right. There seems to be no end to the proliferation of buttons, switches, and various gizmos, many tied in with computer controls. I'm still learning my way around our new (used) Ford Expedition, and it's not even a top-o'-the-line model.

Every time you add a new switch, or motor, or whatever, you add something that can go wrong.

/Mr Lynn

[Octave Doctor]

The last vehicle I had that was just a basic car was a 1982 Honda Civic. Ran well, 42 mpg, I could fix everything myself.

[space-time]

Octave Doctor wrote:
The last vehicle I had that was just a basic car was a 1982 Honda Civic. Ran well, 42 mpg, I could fix everything myself.

Did it have ABS, Airbags? Probably not. I also like simple cars but I think the safety features on newer cars are more important than the reliability issues that came with new cars.

[AllGold]

Ombligo wrote:
There will never be a modern car with the turn-key reliability as a 1966 Dodge Dart with a slant six engine. Manufacturers and buyers need to remember the KISS principle.

But we--both as a society and through government--demand a lot more from a car than we did in 1966. The improvements between a 1966 and 2012 model in categories like safety and emissions not to mention simple convenience are astronomical.

P.S.: When is the last time you drove behind an old car and could smell the unburned fuel?

[Chakravartin]

AllGold wrote:
P.S.: When is the last time you drove behind an old car and could smell the unburned fuel?

Every f-ing weekday.

My commutes suck.

The stench makes me ill.

[OWC Jamie]

AllGold wrote:


P.S.: When is the last time you drove behind an old car and could smell the unburned fuel?

you used to smell raw gas, now you smell the catalytic converter struggling with the sulfur in the gas.
but raw gas is getting fairly rare

[AllGold]

edit: nevermind