One Democrat had the ability to learn from the mistakes.....

[Pam]

vision63 wrote:
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Paying the price for machining Bernie out....

On Thursday, Democratic Party officials held their first staff meeting since Hillary Clinton’s stunning loss to Donald Trump in the presidential race. It didn’t go well.

Donna Brazile, the interim leader of the Democratic National Committee, was giving what one attendee described as “a rip-roaring speech” to about 150 employees, about the need to have hope for wins going forward, when a staffer identified only as Zach stood up with a question.

“Why should we trust you as chair to lead us through this?” he asked, according to two people in the room. “You backed a flawed candidate, and your friend [former DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz] plotted through this to support your own gain and yourself.”

Some DNC staffers started to boo and some told him to sit down. Brazile began to answer, but Zach had more to say.

“You are part of the problem,” he continued, blaming Brazile for clearing the path for Trump’s victory by siding with Clinton early on.

The whole Bernie as a victim suggestion is the most ignorant, factless lie ever promulgated. You or anyone else cannot show this to be true.

Enough.

Bernie lost because he didn't get enough votes. Primarily he was rejected by 2 out of 3 African Americans. That right there ended him.
The DNC didn't help Bernie, but you are correct. He did not have enough of a ground swell of support. Not just from blacks, but from everyone.

[$tevie]

How anybody can cite polls is beyond me. We just saw a stunning refutation of polling less than a week ago.

I keep saying this, because it is true: Trump did not attack Bernie, because he was wooing Bernie supporters knowing that they were angry. Had Bernie won the nomination, the GOP would have been locked and loaded with BS about Bernie being a Jew and a socialist and a limousine liberal and a wealthy hypocrite with a wife who helped bring down a college and received a golden parachute in return. And so on and so forth. You think the people that made emailing look like a crime couldn't have done a hatchet job on Sanders?

Or do you think the GOP would have said, Oh, Sanders is so groovy let's just sit back and let him beat us. lol

The people who said they would vote for Sanders over Trump barely knew who Sanders was at the time and would have been easily pulled away from him once they were "informed" of his many "flaws".

EDIT: my point is not that Sanders could not possibly have beaten Trump. Heck, I voted for Sanders in the primary.
My point is that we will never know. Hindsight is 20/20 and bringing up Bernie Sanders for four years is nothing more than mental masturbation.

[bfd]

Onamuji wrote:
The favorite to take the leadership position is Howard Dean.

I think he'd be a very good choice.

YEEE - HAW!!!!

[$tevie]

That yee-haw is a classic example of poor audio and a media that is too lazy to go find a real story.

[Dennis S]

Trump made more faux pas before 10:00 every morning than the one Dean made.

[Acer]

Funny how one awkward sound bite is so iconic of failure. A sound bite that had nothing to do with policy, gave no insight on personal attitudes or opinions, was not directed at any other candidate or group.

Perhaps he should have yelled "PUS-SEE!!" We'd have made him President right then and there.

[$tevie]

Acer wrote:
Funny how one awkward sound bite is so iconic of failure. A sound bite that had nothing to do with policy, gave no insight on personal attitudes or opinions, was not directed at any other candidate or group.

Perhaps he should have yelled "PUS-SEE!!" We'd have made him President right then and there.

(tu)

If you sit and look back on Muskie's tears, and Dean's scream, and Perry's inability to name the 3 government agencies he wanted to get rid of, and Gary Hart and Nelson Rockefeller's lady friends, it's amazing.

[Dennis S]

$tevie wrote:
[quote=Acer]
Funny how one awkward sound bite is so iconic of failure. A sound bite that had nothing to do with policy, gave no insight on personal attitudes or opinions, was not directed at any other candidate or group.

Perhaps he should have yelled "PUS-SEE!!" We'd have made him President right then and there.

(tu)

If you sit and look back on Muskie's tears, and Dean's scream, and Perry's inability to name the 3 government agencies he wanted to get rid of, and Gary Hart and Nelson Rockefeller's lady friends, it's amazing.
And Dukakis's tank ride.

[$tevie]

Damn! I forgot the tank ride! :emoticon-animal-004:

[sekker]

Bernie wasn't a Democrat, Trump is not a member of the GOP.

Both parties are having to redefine themselves after this election.

Glad to see a good discussion going on here.

Peace