Study finds Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may offer COVID protection for years, with one BIG caveat...

[Sarcany]

Lemon Drop wrote:
Saved how? They died from COVID.

Proper use of masks and social distancing and hand-cleaning, responsible leadership from the federal government early on in the pandemic, governors and legislatures that prioritize the lives of their constituents, responsible employers and clerics, and International cooperation.

Among other things.

[August West]

Among other things.

Like whirled peas?

[PeterB]

Actually, one of the most disturbing things about Delta and Delta plus to me, is the fact that treatment with antibody therapy seems to be less effective. So, someone like me who has been immunized but maybe gets a breakthrough infection, and needs treatment -- which would typically be antibody therapy-based -- it's not as likely to help me.

I agree that we need additional treatments, beyond just immunization/vaccination (not that we shouldn't be doing that too, just that we need additional lines of defense). I'd like to see targeting the individual viral proteins with inhibitors, much as we do with the triple cocktail for HIV.

[Diana]

Also, keep in mind that the (immunized) parents of these kids now getting covid are getting, in some or even in most cases, massive amounts of viral load until the kid is either over it in the case of home confinement, or until the kid goes into the hospital. Delta is more transmissible, and thus more contagious and assumedly more infectious. When the load exceeds what the immune system can handle, disease results.

It’s not like mom and dad can simply lock the kid into his room and shove food under the door, diligently disinfecting and staying as far away as possible.

So yeah, the current reservoir of unvaccinated include kids under 15 (or is it 18?). It ain’t over yet.

[RgrF]

So yeah, the current reservoir of unvaccinated include kids under 15 (or is it 18?). It ain’t over yet.

It's age 12 here in California. Even now that vaccines have put a serious crimp on death totals, no one knows what the long term health detriment will be for various classes of survivors. It'll take years or decades for that sort of reliable info to emerge, the variants won't wait like we will.

[cbelt3]

As someone who gets a flu shot every year and has gotten influenza a few times....

Life, uh, finds a way. This includes viruses.

[Lemon Drop]

Diana wrote:
Also, keep in mind that the (immunized) parents of these kids now getting covid are getting, in some or even in most cases, massive amounts of viral load until the kid is either over it in the case of home confinement, or until the kid goes into the hospital. Delta is more transmissible, and thus more contagious and assumedly more infectious. When the load exceeds what the immune system can handle, disease results.

It’s not like mom and dad can simply lock the kid into his room and shove food under the door, diligently disinfecting and staying as far away as possible.

So yeah, the current reservoir of unvaccinated include kids under 15 (or is it 18?). It ain’t over yet.

Breakthrough infections leading to hospitalization and death, which are very rare, are primarily in seniors, not parents of school aged kids. It is the unvaccinated parents at high risk, not the vaccinated ones. While we wait for vaccine approval for kids under 12, we need parents to get immunized to keep themselves and their children safe.

[Sarcany]

Lemon Drop wrote:
Breakthrough infections leading to hospitalization and death, which are very rare, are primarily in seniors, not parents of school aged kids. It is the unvaccinated parents at high risk, not the vaccinated ones. While we wait for vaccine approval for kids under 12, we need parents to get immunized to keep themselves and their children safe.

Wear a mask.

[Lemon Drop]

Sarcany wrote:
[quote=Lemon Drop]
Breakthrough infections leading to hospitalization and death, which are very rare, are primarily in seniors, not parents of school aged kids. It is the unvaccinated parents at high risk, not the vaccinated ones. While we wait for vaccine approval for kids under 12, we need parents to get immunized to keep themselves and their children safe.

Wear a mask.
Get vaccinated.

I've never stopped wearing a mask in stores.

[Janit]

Lemon Drop wrote:
[quote=Sarcany]
[quote=Lemon Drop]
Breakthrough infections leading to hospitalization and death, which are very rare, are primarily in seniors, not parents of school aged kids. It is the unvaccinated parents at high risk, not the vaccinated ones. While we wait for vaccine approval for kids under 12, we need parents to get immunized to keep themselves and their children safe.

Wear a mask.
Get vaccinated.

I've never stopped wearing a mask in stores.
This is a situation in which a belt AND suspenders are warranted.