Does Pallin really think "Under God" was in the pledge of allegiance?

[karsen]

[quote Wags][quote karsen]I hate to break it to you but the phrase "under God" is in the Pledge.

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

But this isn't about "under God." People, like you, are spreading every stupid rumor and half truth you can to discredit this woman without even thinking about the crap you're spreading.

Q: Are you offended by the phrase “Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?

PALIN: Not on your life. If it was good enough for the Founding Fathers, its good enough for me and I’ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance.

It, meaning the phrase "under God", was used by our founding fathers. In fact, the word "God" appears all through our Country's history. Really.
I hate to break it to you but the words "Under God" were not added to the Pledge until 1951. I presume that would be some time after the Founding Fathers could have decided it was "good enough for them". Anyone with even the slightest grasp of the process by which we became a democracy would understand how important the concept of seperation of church and State was to the founders. The Pledge was not even written until 1892. Here's a thought: let's give people a decent education. That is widely believed to be an essential criteria of a functional democracy. Reading ancient Middle East fairy tales does not count.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance
You didn't break anything to me. I already knew that.

The words "under God" WERE used by our founding fathers though. The word "God" appears in some of our Nation's earliest speeches, documents, even our currency. It's conceivable to think that Palin meant if "God" was good enough for our founding fathers to use in those ways then it's good enough to keep in the Pledge.

If that's not possible for you to comprehend, and you must insist that she made a gaff, then by all means burn the witch at the stake. I mean, politicians never say stupid things, do they? And you've probably never made a mistake either, right?

[Wags]

[quote karsen][quote Wags][quote karsen]I hate to break it to you but the phrase "under God" is in the Pledge.

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

But this isn't about "under God." People, like you, are spreading every stupid rumor and half truth you can to discredit this woman without even thinking about the crap you're spreading.

Q: Are you offended by the phrase “Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?

PALIN: Not on your life. If it was good enough for the Founding Fathers, its good enough for me and I’ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance.

It, meaning the phrase "under God", was used by our founding fathers. In fact, the word "God" appears all through our Country's history. Really.
I hate to break it to you but the words "Under God" were not added to the Pledge until 1951. I presume that would be some time after the Founding Fathers could have decided it was "good enough for them". Anyone with even the slightest grasp of the process by which we became a democracy would understand how important the concept of seperation of church and State was to the founders. The Pledge was not even written until 1892. Here's a thought: let's give people a decent education. That is widely believed to be an essential criteria of a functional democracy. Reading ancient Middle East fairy tales does not count.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance
You didn't break anything to me. I already knew that.

The words "under God" WERE used by our founding fathers though. The word "God" appears in some of our Nation's earliest speeches, documents, even our currency. It's conceivable to think that Palin meant if "God" was good enough for our founding fathers to use in those ways then it's good enough to keep in the Pledge.

If that's not possible for you to comprehend, and you must insist that she made a gaff, then by all means burn the witch at the stake. I mean, politicians never say stupid things, do they? And you've probably never made a mistake either, right?
Perhaps this is clear enough for you:

No religious Test shall ever be required as a qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States" (U. S. Constitution, 1787, Art. 6, Sec. 3).

[karsen]

[quote Dennis S]See, that's the whole problem, karsen. Palin is a bonehead. You, apparently are, too. This country is too precious for people like you and her to be trying to run it. Y'all have fscked it up in the last eight years and you still don't get it.
Nice. Thanks for making it personal. You're so sweet.

So if a politician says something wrong she/he's a bonehead and is no longer fit to lead? Obama's Uncle liberated Auschwitz. Or is there a double-standard?

[ajakeski]

As usual. It will be an election decided by non-issues.
No one reports the news. It's all tabloid toilet paper.
Sad.

[Wags]

Its really absurd for fundamentalists to claim the Founding Fathers as their own. Most of them were Deists, like Washington who never once mentioned Jesus Christ in his writings. Jefferson was most likely an atheist. Adams was a Unitarian, Franklin disavowed his early Christian training and was often highly critical of the church. Madison also rejected Christian orthodoxy: ""During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution."

The doctrine of Separation of Church and State was further elucidated by the Treaty of Tripoli, 1797 - Article 11:

"As the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries." (my emphasis)

[decocritter]

What difference does it make.. the words are in the Pledge Now.

Why don't you argue about Biden for a while. He reminds me of Cheney.

[rgG]

[quote decocritter]What difference does it make.. the words are in the Pledge Now.
I think the point is that they are a much later addition and some, I for one, think they should not have been added. I believe in a total and complete separation of church and state. As stated above, many of the founding fathers felt very strongly about this separation; they were not wrong.

[decocritter]

I believe in separation of church and state, too. But it has never happened.

[michaelb]

Of all the issues coming out about Gov Palin in the last few days, this is really minor and not important and hardly a story and is likely not to amount to much. Even if this mattered, her offhand comment is ambiguous and subject to interpretation. She thinks the pledge should say "under god": so what?

[OWC Jamie]

Oh my Goodness, an elected respectable public official in a bikini, what is this world coming to.
So much worse than, say, toe-tapping in an airport.