Hidden health "care" reforms in "Stimulus" bill
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Hidden health "care" reforms in "Stimulus" bill
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02-10-2009, 05:13 PM
>>In healthcare, like in all things, you get what you pay for. Anyone who claims otherwise is selling something.
A belief held strongest by those who have overpaid. Just because you pay more doesn't mean you get more.
02-10-2009, 05:13 PM
samintx wrote: You won't have to wait, your insurance company will do that right now.
02-10-2009, 05:15 PM
MacManMaz wrote: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_mccaughey&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs Some "Betsy McCaughey" writes an opinion article and the right begins to pound their message drums. Frankly, I see no proof of most of her contentions. She has printed a laundry list of her imagined possibilities with no factual proof of why she thinks any of it will happen. Same old "health care reform" squealing from the righties.
02-10-2009, 05:20 PM
I applaud your patriotism and good intentions, in that respect we agree. However, I believe that changing America just for the sake of change is not going to make it a better place. We must look before we leap, and on the subject of socialized health care, I have strong opinions. We cannot let a few people slip legislation into a bill that has nothing to do with healthcare without any debate. We have to look at the failures of others and ensure that we do not make the same mistakes:
"My health-care prejudices crumbled not in the classroom but on the way to one. On a subzero Winnipeg morning in 1997, I cut across the hospital emergency room to shave a few minutes off my frigid commute. Swinging open the door, I stepped into a nightmare: the ER overflowed with elderly people on stretchers, waiting for admission. Some, it turned out, had waited five days. The air stank with sweat and urine. Right then, I began to reconsider everything that I thought I knew about Canadian health care. I soon discovered that the problems went well beyond overcrowded ERs. Patients had to wait for practically any diagnostic test or procedure, such as the man with persistent pain from a hernia operation whom we referred to a pain clinic—with a three-year wait list; or the woman needing a sleep study to diagnose what seemed like sleep apnea, who faced a two-year delay; or the woman with breast cancer who needed to wait four months for radiation therapy, when the standard of care was four weeks." - The Ugly Truth About Canadian Health Care David Gratzer
02-10-2009, 05:24 PM
David Gratzer - He is a practicing psychiatrist in Toronto and senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute[1], and as advisor to Rudy Giuliani in his 2008 presidential campaign he was the source for a disputed statistic that led to much criticism of Giuliani by foreign politicians, and the media in the U.S. and Europe. Medical experts have criticized Gratzer for drawing improper inferences from statistics.
02-10-2009, 05:27 PM
In 1994, McCaughey (as she was then known) vigorously criticized the health care reform package proposed by Bill Clinton in a widely read article in The New Republic. The piece, "No Exit", won the National Magazine Award for excellence in the public interest. Supporters of the Clinton plan (including some of the editors of the New Republic) were vociferous in their criticism of McCaughey's criticism. (Andrew Sullivan, The New Republic's then-editor later acknowledged "I was aware of the piece's flaws but nonetheless was comfortable running it as a provocation to debate." ) While the article was seized by conservative commentators seeking to discredit the Clinton plan, much of McCaughey's article later proved inaccurate; particularly, her claims that "the law will prevent you from going outside the system to buy basic health coverage you think is better," and that " doctor(s) can be paid only by the plan, not by you " were flatly contradicted by the text of the legislation.(Section 1003 of the Health Security Act provided that "[n]othing in this Act shall be construed as prohibiting the following: (1) An individual from purchasing any health care services." )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betsy_McCaughey_Ross
02-10-2009, 05:38 PM
Yes , the 'righties' and Republicans have caused it all.
There have been no Democrats doing anything for the last 25 years. And they certainly have never banged a drum in thier lives. Talk about the kettle calling the put black. Banging the blame and hate drum while critising the guy on the other side of the roomm for doing the same thing. Me, I'm not a fan of a huge stimulus bill with or without tax cuts. Where have all the spending money on this war critisizers gone ? Spending an equally country-killing amount is suddenly OK ?
02-10-2009, 05:41 PM
mattkime wrote: The Manhattan Institute for Policy Research is a conservative think-tank. It's not like this guy popped up from nowhere and wrote his heart-wrenching story. It's part of his mission to block healthcare reform. Nobody seems to think that the U.S. could devise a better plan than any that exist now. Remember the good old days when we thought the U.S. could lead the world in innovation? Now the right wing thinks the U.S. cannot do anything well. They are a broken record and their negativity is becoming really, really annoying.
02-10-2009, 05:44 PM
billb wrote: Me, I'm not a fan of a huge stimulus bill with or without tax cuts. The original poster was complaining that the Hidden health "care" reforms in "Stimulus" bill would supposedly prevent money from being spent. Try to keep up. |
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