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fauch wrote:
This is a perfect example of the TRUE COLORS of Europe emerging. Their apparent obsession with liberalism and multiculturalism is and always has been a facade. Yet they constantly make fun of American society (often rightfully so) and consider us to be barbarians, yet something like this would never happen in modern day USA.
This is complete and utter nonsense. Not only is it bogus, but lumping "Europe", a continent consisting of multiple countries of widely varying cultural, political and ethnic characteristics, together as one is absolutely ridiculous.
fauch wrote: People forget what Europe looked like not even 100 years ago, where millions of people were sent to the gas chambers with nary a protest from anyone, INCLUDING the Allies.
What the heck is this? Are you talking about the nazi concentration camps? Are you completely off your rocker?
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fauch wrote:
This is a perfect example of the TRUE COLORS of Europe emerging. Their apparent obsession with liberalism and multiculturalism is and always has been a facade. Yet they constantly make fun of American society (often rightfully so) and consider us to be barbarians, yet something like this would never happen in modern day USA. Even Trump would not dare suggest limiting the clothing people can wear in public places!! Or imagine if Israel passed such a law, there would be 15 UN resolutions condemning it the next day from the VERY same hypocrites who are behind this!
People forget what Europe looked like not even 100 years ago, where millions of people were sent to the gas chambers with nary a protest from anyone, INCLUDING the Allies. And when pushed to the wall with the new Muslim threat they are facing to their cultures (that they themselves in their own idiocy created) we are about to see some old school European fascism and ultra nationalism come out that will make even the most Red blooded, gun toting, beer guzzling, racist, redneck. Walmart shopping 'Murican cringe.
I'd be lying if I denied that it didn't evoke in me the slightest bid of Schadenfreude... People who build glass mosques shouldn't throw stones....
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fauch wrote:
This is a perfect example of the TRUE COLORS of Europe emerging. Their apparent obsession with liberalism and multiculturalism is and always has been a facade. Yet they constantly make fun of American society (often rightfully so) and consider us to be barbarians, yet something like this would never happen in modern day USA. Even Trump would not dare suggest limiting the clothing people can wear in public places!! Or imagine if Israel passed such a law, there would be 15 UN resolutions condemning it the next day from the VERY same hypocrites who are behind this!
People forget what Europe looked like not even 100 years ago, where millions of people were sent to the gas chambers with nary a protest from anyone, INCLUDING the Allies. And when pushed to the wall with the new Muslim threat they are facing to their cultures (that they themselves in their own idiocy created) we are about to see some old school European fascism and ultra nationalism come out that will make even the most Red blooded, gun toting, beer guzzling, racist, redneck. Walmart shopping 'Murican cringe.
I'd be lying if I denied that it didn't evoke in me the slightest bid of Schadenfreude... People who build glass mosques shouldn't throw stones....
The problem now is certainly comparable…and history tells us that it doesn't take much to turn a whole lot of people into ashes and fading memories…
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His points are real and should be considered.
Back when the Third Reich was just being born, it was nurtured by a distrust and hatred of the terms of the armistice agreements stemming from the settlement of WWI. What followed was massive unemployment, dizzying inflation and governments that came and went like the seasons.
That allowed politicians to gain power by finding scapegoats, in that case Jews. Jews, at that time, suffered almost universal disdain in Europe, America and most other areas of so called civilized society. Seems they were a bit too successful and envy took hold. They were an easy target but now, for different reasons those same mindsets (mindsets that have never left us) now want to make Muslims the target, not because they are so successful, but simply because they need a target to use to gain a foothold to power.
If you can blame problems on others it means you're not the problem. That sort of hate talk has always been available and those who subscribe to that thought process have always been ready tools to be mined by right wing politicians.
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The Dreyfus Affair in France (1894-1906) had already done a fine job of blowing up centuries-old Jew hate. That's France, not Germany. Of course, extreme violence against Jews had been peaking for years across the continent (and Russia). But it was reporting on the Dreyfus affair which led Theodor Herzl to finally begin the push for the Jewish people to have their own country as a safe haven from the slaughters.
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I think that the US would be better with a bit more secularism and the French could do with a bit less.
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Ted King wrote:
I think that the US would be better with a bit more secularism and the French could do with a bit less.
When Jesus wrote The Constitution, it was doubters like you who thought America wouldn't work. HA!
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rjmacs wrote:
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People who build glass mosques shouldn't throw stones....
Huh? It's hardly mosque-building people who are to blame here.
I meant the liberal European policies and attitude that allowed Muslims, that to put it mildly are NOT interested in integrating into the host cultures, to flood into their countries at alarming rates and now have become a critical mass. THEY created this mess, and there is no pleasant way to deal with it. But dictating what clothes people are permitted to wear? Is this "liberalism" and "tolerance"? That apparently only applies to people who share THEIR warped distorted values...
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Integration seems to be the hang-up.
Americans pat themselves on the back about how they were inclusive and integrated and that would be praiseworthy, had it actually happened. It didn't and the myth that it did is one of the problems we deal with today.
America was never a homogeneous or welcoming place, it was simply and plainly a place that needed to import more people who looked like each other and were needy enough to go through the privations (they were severe beyond anything we can imagine) and then on arrival displace the people who lived here before them.
Without getting into North American heritage, imagine how horrible it must have been for a mother and father to bundle themselves and their children into steerage on a ship to escape the horror that was then their life. Think about what must have been in their minds "we can stay and starve like your aunts, uncles and cousins" or we can roll the dice and get on board and have about a 18% chance of even surviving to tell the tale.
Europe and most of the rest of the world were actually less a threat and thus did many disadvantaged (read poor) folks head West (East if you were disadvantaged, Asian and wanted to build railroads)
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RgrF wrote:
Integration seems to be the hang-up.
Americans pat themselves on the back about how they were inclusive and integrated and that would be praiseworthy, had it actually happened. It didn't and the myth that it did is one of the problems we deal with today.
America was never a homogeneous or welcoming place, it was simply and plainly a place that needed to import more people who looked like each other and were needy enough to go through the privations (they were severe beyond anything we can imagine) and then on arrival displace the people who lived here before them.
Without getting into North American heritage, imagine how horrible it must have been for a mother and father to bundle themselves and their children into steerage on a ship to escape the horror that was then their life. Think about what must have been in their minds "we can stay and starve like your aunts, uncles and cousins" or we can roll the dice and get on board and have about a 18% chance of even surviving to tell the tale.
Europe and most of the rest of the world were actually less a threat and thus did many disadvantaged (read poor) folks head West (East if you were disadvantaged, Asian and wanted to build railroads)
Wow. That was the most slavery-free accounting of the peopling of America that I've heard in a LONG time.
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