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DeusxMac wrote:
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Hammers were used to kill more Americans than AR-15s last year, maybe start there.
Citation? Link?
False equivalence – describing two or more statements as virtually equal when they are not.
He may be technically correct, but only because he is comparing all types of hammers to just one type of gun.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1953...apon-used/
Get anywhere close to properly comparing it and it completely falls apart. The category Rifles, which includes AR-15s, is twice the number of blunt weapon homicides in the above link.
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DeusxMac wrote:
[quote=Mr645]
Hammers were used to kill more Americans than AR-15s last year, maybe start there.
Citation? Link?
False equivalence – describing two or more statements as virtually equal when they are not.
It’s a favorite meme among gunners. It’s also probably false.
Statistica says “rifles” were used in 447 homicides in 2021. An “unspecified” gun was used in 4740 additional homicides. (I think this is FBI data, which doesn’t have a separate category for assault-style rifles).
“Blunt objects”, a wastebasket containing “clubs, hammers, etc” were used in 243 homicides.
But y’know, don’t confuse the issue with actual data,
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pdq, DeusxMac, Acer on point with the beatdown. We're like a well-regulated militia.
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Mr645 wrote:
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Cigarettes are quite restricted and regulated. As are cars. I'd be happy to start there with respect to guns. We can tackle hammers last, as they are the least deadly of the batch.
Gun, like background checks to buy one? Age limits, like 21 to buy a hand gun?
Hammers were used to kill more Americans than AR-15s last year, maybe start there.
There were 20x more deaths due to firearms than hammers in 2021 in the US.
If you want to compare cigarettes to firearms, you need to call each package the same - restrict and heavily tax ammunition for guns. I'm 100% there with you.
I'm glad you recognize that deaths due to cigarettes (which are still the single cause of preventable death and excel healthcare costs in the US) should be reduced.
That guns (and hammers) kill people, and that it would be good to have fewer such deaths.
I will walk and talk with anyone who want to legitimately discuss the right policy decisions that should be implemented while maintaining our core Constitutional rights.
But do NOT try to tell me that regulation, taxation, registration, or requiring insurance blocks the Second Amendment. Does NOT.
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We need a solution to keep guns and other weapons from the hands of criminals. At the same time not infringing on the rights of law abiding citizens.
Perhaps hanse sentences for crimes committed with a gun?
Background checks on all gun purchases, although a vast majority are already done, it would make t criminal to buy a gun for cash on the streets.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2022/...gs-tuesday
We can't do registration or other restrictions because that would infringe on the rights of the people.
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Mr645 wrote:
We need a solution to keep guns and other weapons from the hands of criminals. At the same time not infringing on the rights of law abiding citizens.
Perhaps hanse sentences for crimes committed with a gun?
Background checks on all gun purchases, although a vast majority are already done, it would make t criminal to buy a gun for cash on the streets.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2022/...gs-tuesday
We can't do registration or other restrictions because that would infringe on the rights of the people.
We require registrations for cars. Why not guns? A registration process does not prevent me from owning and using a car (which I have done since I was 17 years old).
I am 100% in favor of real background checks.
I have never written, and nor will I in the future, propose policy that's intended to end any Constitutional right.
Somehow, we need to find a way for serious-minded people to sit down and work this problem.
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sekker wrote:
[quote=Mr645]
We need a solution to keep guns and other weapons from the hands of criminals. At the same time not infringing on the rights of law abiding citizens.
Perhaps hanse sentences for crimes committed with a gun?
Background checks on all gun purchases, although a vast majority are already done, it would make t criminal to buy a gun for cash on the streets.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2022/...gs-tuesday
We can't do registration or other restrictions because that would infringe on the rights of the people.
We require registrations for cars. Why not guns? A registration process does not prevent me from owning and using a car (which I have done since I was 17 years old).
I am 100% in favor of real background checks.
I have never written, and nor will I in the future, propose policy that's intended to end any Constitutional right.
Somehow, we need to find a way for serious-minded people to sit down and work this problem.
I think mental health is the most critical areas to start with since 2/3rd of gun deaths in the USA are suicides.
Think of how many other issues we could solve with a solid handle on mental health, from suicide, mass shootings, addiction, domestic violence......
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Think how many deaths we could prevent (probably 90% or so of those by firearm) if we just had fewer guns -.
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The problem with the mental health suggestion is that the same politicians who refuse to recognize the need to better regulate firearms are the same politicians who refuse to discuss making health care more affordable and accessible.
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Mr645 wrote:
[quote=sekker]
[quote=Mr645]
We need a solution to keep guns and other weapons from the hands of criminals. At the same time not infringing on the rights of law abiding citizens.
Perhaps hanse sentences for crimes committed with a gun?
Background checks on all gun purchases, although a vast majority are already done, it would make t criminal to buy a gun for cash on the streets.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2022/...gs-tuesday
We can't do registration or other restrictions because that would infringe on the rights of the people.
We require registrations for cars. Why not guns? A registration process does not prevent me from owning and using a car (which I have done since I was 17 years old).
I am 100% in favor of real background checks.
I have never written, and nor will I in the future, propose policy that's intended to end any Constitutional right.
Somehow, we need to find a way for serious-minded people to sit down and work this problem.
I think mental health is the most critical areas to start with since 2/3rd of gun deaths in the USA are suicides.
Think of how many other issues we could solve with a solid handle on mental health, from suicide, mass shootings, addiction, domestic violence......
Yes, let's work on mental health. That's awesome we can find common ground.
But what else would be great is making sure there is a background check for buying guns so that those with known mental health issues do not have access to them.
I also believe we can walk and chew gum at the same time. Why is it far easier to buy a gun in Minnesota than a car? When you sell a car, you are responsible for registering who you sold it to. If that car does something wrong, until the new owner registration is complete, YOU are responsible. By the way, when I sell a used car directly (as opposed selling to a dealer), I now only do so by signing the title over AT the DMV.
Why not do that for guns?
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