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ANOTHER School shooting....
#11
The kid who did the shooting is a goth-wannabe with anime overtones, like the hair covering the right half of his face. He lists his profession on his Facebook page as "Murder-Suicide at The Manson Family." The victim is a 17-year-old boy with Down's syndrome. He was shot in the back and is still in critical condition. Police did not identify the weapon but students said it was a shotgun. The suspects parents say they are "horrified." The suspect has been charged as an adult with attempted murder, first degree.

Any parent with half a brain locks the guns away in the house. For a parent with a child as screwed up as this kid to leave a shotgun lying around--that's criminal negligence. The cops should lock Pop up as well.
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#12
mattkime wrote:
the more shootings there are in conceal and carry places, the more evidence that having a gun in public isn't helpful. at least that was the case with both gabby giffords and the movie theater shooting.

The opposite can be said about the old man in the Florida internet cafe.

Truth is that no one can really say what will neutralize a threat. Sure, the Aurora shooting happened in a concealed carry state - but no one in the theatre had chosen to exercise that right by carrying. And, as I've noted in the past, many variable and factors come into play in a situation such as that (if you're actually carrying) as to whether or not you can effectively neutralize the threat.

Recently, we just had a situation in NYC where law enforcement personnel caused more injury than the actual shooter - is this reason to disarm law enforcement? Of course not.

As with any aggressor, you can only try to make that person pause. In the middle east, Afghanis face vastly superior firepower yet continue to engage the occupying force.

What seems to have happened in Perry Hall is outside the scope of gun laws and gun regulation. A culture of intimidation and bullying has resulted with the victim lashing out in a very violent way. We need to examine our culture that allows this kind of intimidation to flourish and eliminate so that innocent people do not have to suffer.
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#13
And the way we do that, Mac, is to limit possession of firearms to people who are trained and licensed to carry them. We vigorously prosecute those who do not lock up their guns at night. The suspect's father has a criminal record--drug possession, theft, assault, etc. That shotgun should have been seized long ago.
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#14
Gutenberg wrote:
And the way we do that, Mac, is to limit possession of firearms to people who are trained and licensed to carry them. We vigorously prosecute those who do not lock up their guns at night. The suspect's father has a criminal record--drug possession, theft, assault, etc. That shotgun should have been seized long ago.

I don't think we disagree on the overall gist of this. However, I do disagree on prosecuting "those who do not lock up their guns at night" - as this suggests government intrusion into our home/personal lives beyond what we endure today and does nothing to eliminate the problem.

If indeed the father is a convicted criminal, in the State of Maryland he is already prohibited by law from possessing or owning firearms. That he possessed a shotgun and your assertion that it should have been seized is a failure of enforcement of our current laws.

Which brings it around to the actual enforcement. Who is doing it? How do we enforce current laws effectively? If we are unable to enforce current law then we're deluding ourselves to believe that additional laws can/will be enforced.

This fifteen year old illustrates that weapons can be procured outside the scope of law. While it shouldn't happen, it does and I don't really know how it is possible to prevent the illegal sourcing of firearms. Reminds me of when I was in high school and I could buy a full-auto Uzi on the streets for $300.
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#15
Gutenberg wrote:
The kid who did the shooting is a goth-wannabe with anime overtones, like the hair covering the right half of his face. He lists his profession on his Facebook page as "Murder-Suicide at The Manson Family." The victim is a 17-year-old boy with Down's syndrome. He was shot in the back and is still in critical condition. Police did not identify the weapon but students said it was a shotgun. The suspects parents say they are "horrified." The suspect has been charged as an adult with attempted murder, first degree.

Any parent with half a brain locks the guns away in the house. For a parent with a child as screwed up as this kid to leave a shotgun lying around--that's criminal negligence. The cops should lock Pop up as well.

It was the parent's gun ?
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#16
hal wrote:

at what point will EVERYONE say, "something MUST be done about this"?

What? You know what you want to say. Why do you want someone else say it?
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#17
Confiscate all children.
Now.

Everyone is too busy looking for work to have them anyway.
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#18
>>However, I do disagree on prosecuting "those who do not lock up their guns at night" - as this suggests government intrusion into our home/personal lives beyond what we endure today and does nothing to eliminate the problem.

what about locking them up when not in use? It seems like a reasonable thing to do.

Nobody said anything about police visiting homes to check for unlocked weapons. that bit is imagined.
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#19
I'll chime in here briefly. As I have posted before, my children had three friends (two quite close) who killed themselves after being bullied in school. One with a parent's unlocked handgun.

My reaction to this (after the tears, consolations, and lengthy talks with my children who had all tried desperately to end the bullying) was to attempt to set up a free gun lock program in our town.

I was rebuffed by the NRA (who had had a similar program that was not well received.. to their credit they wanted to do it but nobody ' cared' enough to make it work), by the local police department, and most definitely by the local school district, who threatened to have me arrested if I even came near the school and said the word 'gun'.

If you own a gun, you are responsible for keeping it safe, and ensuring that it is used properly. Period. No question.

My guns are locked in a safe. Each (unloaded) weapon has a trigger lock firmly affixed to it. Ammunition is kept in a separate locked box. The keys are kept in a separate locked container.

I'm good.
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#20
cbelt wrote:
I'm good.

Jury's still out. :biggrin:
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