Apple's 2015 WWDC - Playing catchup, I vote I like the idea for Mac OS Ten Eleven and iOS9

[sekker]

RAMd®d wrote:
I enjoyed it too.

Lots of good stuff, nothing bad.

I watched the Apple stream and the MacBreak Weekly stream. It's fun to see Andy Ihantko correct Leo Laporte on just about everything.

Unfortunately, Rene Ritchie was at the Keynote and not the MBW broadcast so he couldn't help Andy explain to Leo what was going on.

I'm looking forward to iOS9 and El Capitan. The latter name is pretty telling.

Mac break weekly looks like a great podcast. I will give it a try. Thanks for posting!

[silvarios]

N-OS X-tasy! wrote:
[quote=silvarios]
There was the ridiculous puff piece about how Apple is doing things as amazing as the entirety of the Industrial Revolution

While I also scoff at the overall hyperbole inherent in that claim, Apple Pay is in fact going to fundamentally change how the world conducts credit- and debit-card transactions. It's already happening.
Numbers I've seen are pretty underwhelming right now (6% adoption on less than 18% of the entire world market for mobile phones) and Google's payment system was largely the same and predates Apple Pay. Regardless of Google's offerings, haven't other countries had the option to pay with cell phones for years? Apple Pay seems like a rather well thought out mobile payment system, but it's hard to call it out as the one to change the world…yet.

[silvarios]

sekker wrote:
Mac break weekly looks like a great podcast. I will give it a try. Thanks for posting!

MacBreak Weekly was a good one. I haven't liked it as much since Rene Ritchie joined the cast and barely listen anymore. Your taste may differ and Rene isn't always there so could be a great fit. Not trying to harsh the show, I just miss the earlier contributors. Like a lot of shows on the TWiT network, lot of cast changes over the years.

[sekker]

silvarios wrote:
[quote=N-OS X-tasy!]
[quote=silvarios]
There was the ridiculous puff piece about how Apple is doing things as amazing as the entirety of the Industrial Revolution

While I also scoff at the overall hyperbole inherent in that claim, Apple Pay is in fact going to fundamentally change how the world conducts credit- and debit-card transactions. It's already happening.
Numbers I've seen are pretty underwhelming right now (6% adoption on less than 18% of the entire world market for mobile phones) and Google's payment system was largely the same and predates Apple Pay. Regardless of Google's offerings, haven't other countries had the option to pay with cell phones for years? Apple Pay seems like a rather well thought out mobile payment system, but it's hard to call it out as the one to change the world…yet.
ApplePay is the only standard that has traction. 6% is amazing growth, and Android Pay is a clear knockoff. But that's ok - so long as the two systems are the same use-case for the user, this is fine.

I posted back then that I think ApplePay was the most important announcement at the time, and I stand by that assessment. Ironically, I do not use it - I live in a smaller town, and usually pay cash.

[silvarios]

sekker wrote:
ApplePay is the only standard that has traction. 6% is amazing growth, and Android Pay is a clear knockoff. But that's ok - so long as the two systems are the same use-case for the user, this is fine.

I posted back then that I think ApplePay was the most important announcement at the time, and I stand by that assessment. Ironically, I do not use it - I live in a smaller town, and usually pay cash.

Let's just clarify, if those numbers are correct, that's 6% of Apple users have used the service. That seems like good growth to you. Remember the other 80%+ of the market can't use Apple Pay while out and about. How is the Android payment service that predates Apple Pay by years, a knockoff? It wouldn't bother me if it were, after all, don't all your credit cards essentially work the same way, but this is the weirdest Apple Pay tidbit I've ever read.

[N-OS X-tasy!]

There are many parameters to consider when evaluating the success of Apple Pay, Nathan. A few are listed below:

• User adoption rate
  
• Vendor adoption rate
  
• Total volume of transactions processed
  
• Growth rate of transactions processed
  

I concur with sekker that Apple Pay's adoption rate, particularly by vendors, has been amazing. Notably, vendors have been much more vocal in their efforts to publicize their adoption of AP than they ever did for AP competitors.

[N-OS X-tasy!]

silvarios wrote:
Let's just clarify, if those numbers are correct, that's 6% of Apple users have used the service. That seems like good growth to you. Remember the other 80%+ of the market can't use Apple Pay while out and about. How is the Android payment service that predates Apple Pay by years, a knockoff? It wouldn't bother me if it were, after all, don't all your credit cards essentially work the same way, but this is the weirdest Apple Pay tidbit I've ever read.

That 6% is a really fuzzy number that needs to be more clearly defined to hav any value. Is that 6% of all Apple users? All iPhone users? All iPhone 6/6s users? All iPhone 5/5s/6/6s users? Does it include Apple Watch owners?

Apple Pay does not predate Google Wallet - making it all the more remarkable that AP's success has outstripped GW's. The other major competitor in this segment, CurrentC, can't even get off the ground.

This Forbes article hailing AP's success in overtaking its competitors was published six months ago -- the gap between AP and its competitors has only widened since then: http://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthof/20...-the-dust/

EDIT: I guess this is the source of the 6% referenced earlier: http://appleinsider.com/articles/15/03/1...5-have-not

[silvarios]

N-OS X-tasy! wrote:
That 6% is a really fuzzy number that needs to be more clearly defined to hav any value. Is that 6% of all Apple users? All iPhone users? All iPhone 6/6s users? All iPhone 5/5s/6/6s users? Does it include Apple Watch owners?

Apple Pay does not predate Google Wallet - making it all the more remarkable that AP's success has outstripped GW's. The other major competitor in this segment, CurrentC, can't even get off the ground.

This Forbes article hailing AP's success in overtaking its competitors was published six months ago -- the gap between AP and its competitors has only widened since then: http://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthof/20...-the-dust/

Users. Very few users are routinely using the service and many haven't used it all. As far as adoption, many companies are stupid, they starting pulling NFC terminals out in early to mid 2014 and then put them back in at the end of the year when Apple Pay came out. You know what else works with these NFC terminals? Yeah, Google Wallet/Android Pay/or whatever it is called now. I did a quick search and at least 10 merchants in a five minute or so drive accept NFC payments with Google Wallet/Android Pay/whatever the name. My guess is many also accept Apple Pay.

Although not explicitly said, you seem to agree it is weird to tout Google's service as a copy of Apple's service.

By the way, I remember all the breathless articles about Google Wallet terminals being installed everywhere as well. People still need to actually use them for this whole thing to work properly.