No one's talking about the Chauvin trial?

[Lemon Drop]

The jurors are going to be traumatized, wondering to myself if they will get amy counseling support after the trial.

So the defense is going for the standard cop self-defense angle, really tough to see how that plays when there is video, and so many witnesses.

[DeusxMac]

Lemon Drop wrote:
...wondering to myself if they will get amy counseling support after the trial.

Who is this Amy? Does she specialize in this kind of counseling?
:devil:

[deckeda]

It’s not just cop-defense being posited by Chauvin’s team, but a portrayal of danger to others perpetrated by Floyd.

The jury is effectively being tasked with deciding if it’s up to police to determine what and where danger is.

But right now, it’s not a safe bet Floyd is the one on trial despite what a “self defense” answer demands.

And the testimony by Zimmerman has been pretty damning. Has there ever been another high profile case where an officer’s own basically says he’s in the wrong?

[bfd]

The prosecution is so far doing a great job of putting testimony on the record for the trials of the other cops standing by who were just as guilty as Chauvin in terms of being accessories to George Floyd's murder. At some point - soon - the replaying of video could be overkill though, and the jury could easily become numb to what they're seeing - they can start to detach themselves from it. And that might not be exactly what the prosecution wants in terms of securing a conviction.

[Ted King]

bfd wrote:
The prosecution is so far doing a great job of putting testimony on the record for the trials of the other cops standing by who were just as guilty as Chauvin in terms of being accessories to George Floyd's murder.

Yes, I found this testimony by the off-duty EMT, Genevieve Hansen, to be symptomatic of not only the unjustified dismissive attitude they had while Floyd was being murdered in front of their eyes, but of a really bad systemic problem with the attitude of far too many police officers:

https://www.axios.com/derek-chauvin-geor...47bfe.html

After she identified herself, Hansen said [Minneapolis police officer] Thao said "something along the lines of, 'If you really are a Minneapolis firefighter, you would know better than to get involved.'"

There was so much that was wrong about Floyd's murder but I think this bit is worth remembering and working to get rectified.

[sekker]

Every single comment I've seen has been that the facts are clear.

The question is simply whether there are laws that made this horrific act unlawful by a police officer.

I think the defense is going to shoot to add ANY doubt that this was a murder to get that charge removed. If the defense can call a single medical professional raising question whether anything in Floyd's system could have contributed to his death, murder seems out to me.

But I cannot believe the manslaughter charge is going to be easy to avoid.

[rjmacs]

sekker wrote:
I think the defense is going to shoot to add ANY doubt that this was a murder to get that charge removed. If the defense can call a single medical professional raising question whether anything in Floyd's system could have contributed to his death, murder seems out to me.

That's not how murder convictions typically work. You can have an underlying medical condition, or be under the influence of drugs, and still be a victim of homicide. The question is whether the victim would have died without the actions of the defendant, and in this case whether the victim would have survived his treatment by the cop under typical circumstances. In this case, there's no clear reason that Chauvin needed to keep his knee on Floyd's neck after he was subdued and handcuffed. It's standard procedure to move a detainee onto their side or to a kneeling position after they are subdued and restrained in cuffs. Chauvin sat on this man's neck until he was dead, for no reason.